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re: Together Louisiana is at it again with some pure propaganda
Posted on 12/10/18 at 10:55 am to boosiebadazz
Posted on 12/10/18 at 10:55 am to boosiebadazz
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I need a link for that.
It'll probably take me a little while to put together all of the links to the individual projects which in the aggregate add up to $20 billion, but I will try to get that for you. If you want to know why Rispone is jumping into this race, losing those projects is why.
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 10:56 am to SlowFlowPro
Together Louisiana is a pretty slick propaganda machine. I've only recently become aware of them.
Their laser-like focus on industry tax exemptions 100% reveals who they are and what goals they have.
Their laser-like focus on industry tax exemptions 100% reveals who they are and what goals they have.
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 10:57 am to NIH
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:04 am to kingbob
And something that Louisiana was considered but ultimately passed up beacause ____.
That’s quite a statistic and should be taken into the equation if ultimately true.
That’s quite a statistic and should be taken into the equation if ultimately true.
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:06 am to boosiebadazz
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That’s a decent criticism, but do you think we should reign in the ITEP program?
Why do we need to reign in ITEP? It's a tax on capital expenditures. That's just dumb.
But even if we wanted to do that, we can reign it in when we fix our property tax system overall.
Put another way, don't you think we should reign in the homestead exemption?
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:06 am to upgrayedd
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JBE and his lawyer friends are killing O&G in this state
It's bad. A state rep friend has indicated that the JBE administration has taken the position that O&G is never coming back, so they are going to try to extract as much money out of them on the way out the door as they can via the ambulance chasing business and the coastal lawsuit racket. The JBE administration has moved on to growing the medicaid sector as the way forward.
I really know nothing about Ripsone, but his ability to self-fund a campaign would allow him to win without special interest money which would allow him to do a Trump for the state. It is our last chance. If JBE gets reelected, Louisiana demographics will go into logarithmic free fall with a final wave of productive citizen out migration.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:08 am to WesternChauvinist
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:10 am to WesternChauvinist
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It's bad. A state rep friend has indicated that the JBE administration has taken the position that O&G is never coming back, so they are going to try to extract as much money out of them on the way out the door as they can via the ambulance chasing business and the coastal lawsuit racket. The JBE administration has moved on to growing the medicaid sector as the way forward.
Right, and the economics of fracking versus offshore drilling and the discovery of massive land fields in Texas and now New Mexico have nothing to do with this?
Do I really need to link you to Don Briggs’ deposition testimony again?
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:10 am to boosiebadazz
Those companies won't admit in press releases that the tax credits were the straw that broke the camel's back. I can get you a list of the projects, but they'll claim other reasons for PR purposes. I'm very tied to that industry and understand how these games are played and hear all the time why such and such site was chosen over another. I have been hearing the same thing over and over again the last 2.5 years, and it's what Edwards did to the tax credits, basically forcing companies to bribe officials at every level of government just to even get to the governor's office where they have to bribe him to get approval. If they don't, he rains down permitting hell on them if they try to go forward with the project without the credits. It's chased a lot of projects away like the $1 billion + cracker Exxon project that went to Corpus Christie over Baton Rouge or the massive multi-billion dollar shell project near Hymel's that, I believe, went to Houston. I will try to get the links lined up for you, but please keep that in mind.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:11 am to Lakeboy7
I work in a tangential O&G industry and I've heard similar statements from several other companies, especially in the Lafayette area.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:12 am to BigJim
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Put another way, don't you think we should reign in the homestead exemption?
Yes, but only if we eliminate personal income tax.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:15 am to boosiebadazz
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It's bad. A state rep friend has indicated that the JBE administration has taken the position that O&G is never coming back, so they are going to try to extract as much money out of them on the way out the door as they can via the ambulance chasing business and the coastal lawsuit racket. The JBE administration has moved on to growing the medicaid sector as the way forward.
Right, and the economics of fracking versus offshore drilling and the discovery of massive land fields in Texas and now New Mexico have nothing to do with this?
Do I really need to link you to Don Briggs’ deposition testimony again?
This. The reality is that the price of oil is too low to justify drilling expenses off shore on new projects. However, early on in JBE's term, the prices were high enough, but the rigs were not moving into position on the Louisiana side of the maritime border, only on the Texas side. Don't get me wrong, at these prices, Louisiana's offshore industry shouldn't be blowing and going like they were before the BP oil spill, but they shouldn't be this bad. The Edward's administration bares some responsibility for making a bad situation worse with the legacy lawsuits and general regulatory agency shenanigans.
Like I said, the offshore industry, even under the most pro oil regime imaginable, would still not be doing great right now, but the governor's office is making it worse than it has to be.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:16 am to upgrayedd
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:21 am to upgrayedd
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I work in a tangential O&G industry and I've heard similar statements from several other companies, especially in the Lafayette area.
Ditto. The belief from this side is that Louisiana wants us to leave. The reality that lawyers and bureaucrats in this state don't seem to understand is that it is so much easier to do business in Texas. These lawyers and bureaucrats are all leftists for the most part, so it is no surprise that they don't understand this and it's no surprise that they don't care.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:26 am to Lakeboy7
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Nice load of partisan bull shite right here, good work.
You obviously have a different interpretation of his actions and policies, perhaps because your head is full of partisan bull shite right here.
The proof for my statement is on 4/5ths of the state's billboards for all to see, the complete lack of inland drilling since 2015 and the positions of the state's "private" hospital conglomerates during the series of 2018 legislative sessions.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:31 am to boosiebadazz
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I wouldn't mind to call their bluff once or twice and let them go put a refinery in Missouri or Illinois to see if they'll really do it.
why would they go to Missouri or Illinois when Texas is begging for these projects and has a bunch of water access?
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:35 am to boosiebadazz
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I understand we do not have an educated population nor great infrastructure, but we still have great waterways at the mouth of the main river dividing the country. I think we sometimes just bend over to these plants and take it because they threaten to go somewhere else. I wouldn't mind to call their bluff once or twice and let them go put a refinery in Missouri or Illinois to see if they'll really do it. I just think it's out of whack when you have upwards of 90% of a property's value off the rolls in some of these projects
And it might be you get a few more tax dollars from industries that are essentially "captured" here. But you send a terrible signal to all the non-captured industries. And you completely write off anything not related to oil and gas/chemicals like auto manufacturing.
And you will notice the trickle of additional tax dollars and never notice that industry that doesn't even try. Only in the long term when we notice how terrible our economy is. Then someone will come out with a video explaining it's because we don't tax business enough.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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why would they go to Missouri or Illinois when Texas is begging for these projects and has a bunch of water access?
These are frustrating conversations to have in real life and in a place like this because the people making statements like that are so clueless about so much but think they know more than anyone on any given topic. I recently had a conversation with an one of these asshats who is an associate at a billboard/Maury Povich advertising ambulance chaser shop in my town and this turd, with his doctorate in law and (alleged) BS in economics from one of Louisiana's directional schools, had no idea that Texas did not tax income. These people are that clueless. I would stop short at believing that most of them believe money grows on a money tree somewhere, but sometimes I'm not too sure.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 11:40 am
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:40 am to Lakeboy7
Looking more and more likely for me
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:42 am to upgrayedd
The lawsuit thing has become a convenient excuse, Don Briggs couldn’t name one company who moved away due to litigation nor any who even factored that in
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 11:45 am
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