re: Today (January 19) is Robert E. Lee’s birthday. A timely quote?

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So far so obvious. What's your point?

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It's odd that you focused on that narrow timeframe.

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I mean everything I'm saying is literally taken verbatim from the books you've claimed to have read.

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You aren't wrong because your knowledge is inaccurate. You're wrong because your knowledge is incomplete.

Hope that helps.

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It's odd that you focused on that narrow timeframe.

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Is it? Because the timeframe in question is when this event supposedly took place. I'm sure you know this already, but Sherman was in charge of overseeing the logistics of Grant's campaign against Forts Henry and Donelson in February 1862. After Grant successfully captured both forts, Sherman's job supplying Grant's army was finished and Grant was given command of an ambiguously defined District of West Tennessee. Sherman, despite being the senior officer, removed himself from his headquarters in Paducah, Kentucky to join Grant as his subordinate in the city of Memphis, writing: "I feel anxious about you as I know the great facilities [the Confederates] have of concentration by means of the River and R[ail] Road, but [I] have faith in you—Command me in any way."

So the reason why I focus on such a narrow time frame is that command of Western Tennessee would have had to have been offered to Sherman by Halleck around this time, since Sherman shows up in Memphis in the February/March time frame. I'm merely wondering if you can provide me a link to this document where Halleck first offered command of the District of West Tennessee to Sherman before giving it to Grant after the former turned it down.

I can't seem to find this document and such a find would greatly aid my research and (possibly) turn scholarship of this period somewhat upside down.

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You're wrong because your knowledge is incomplete.

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Hence why I am asking you to complete my knowledge by linking me to this document Halleck would have sent giving command of the Army of the Tennessee to Sherman.

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The event you claim didn't happen?

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Yes, that one. We are assuming in this rhetorical exercise, however, that it did happen. So from now on I am going to humor you and pretend that this event that didn't happen in fact did happen. Now that we are in this "Imaginarium of DisplacedBuckeye" we have created for ourselves, let's have some fun together.

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You need to come off Halleck, my dude.

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No, I can't do that. We're playing a game and even though I know for almost 100% certainty that you haven't a fricking clue what you're talking about, I can respect a good troll and, at the very least, educate some of the lurkers who might want to learn a thing or two about the topic from our conversation.

With that said...

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And no, I'm not interested in helping you out. Use your "history degree."

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This isn't part of the game. It takes two to tango and I am in the mood to dance. Can you at least forge something that looks like an order from Old Brains? Pretty pwease...?

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OK, then try getting the timeframe right.

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Which timeframe are we talking about specifically? The Second Seminole War, the Mexican-American War, or the period in which the Department of West Tennessee was created?

No one sentence answers allowed. That's no fun.

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That's why you'll continue to be wrong.

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I'm fairly certain I haven't been wrong about anything. And I'm also fairly certain that you are trying to eject yourself from this conversation but can't bring yourself to end it until you have the last word.

I won't let you have it until you provide the evidence that Sherman turned the command down in lieu of it going to Grant. Please produce Halleck's order.

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That is the game, my dude.

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Doubtful, my guy. You can't help yourself. You'll be back. And if you're not back, it'll only be to spite me. But I doubt you'll do that.

The "United" States of America.

The only way out is in a body bag.

Robert E Lee was a great American - his loyalty was to his state.

We needed more of his ilk on both sides during that horrible era.

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No. I think we will start there because that's the timeframe that is being discussed.

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Grant and Sherman both served prior to and after February 1862.

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I know that I've been waiting for you to link me to Halleck's order offering command of the Army of the Tennessee to Sherman.

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Right, because you don't know what you're talking about.

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Yes, and I am still waiting for you to produce the document. Please do so at your earliest possible convenience.

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You'll keep waiting, too. You're referencing the wrong timeframe, and continuing to do so makes you look foolish.

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Why won't you produce the order?

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Keep asking this question.

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Grant and Sherman both served prior to and after February 1862.

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So far so obvious. However, we are dealing with this specific time period because it's the only period that makes sense in this fantasy we have created for ourselves. Let us summarize:

1. Sherman was a brigade commander in the Army of Northeastern Virginia until the fall of 1861 when he was transfered to serve under Robert Anderson in the Department of Kentucky.

2. Sherman succeeded Anderson as commanding officer, Department of Kentucky, in October of that same year.

3. Sherman suffered a mental breakdown and was relieved of command of the Department of Kentucky in December 1861. He retreated to Missouri to recuperate.

4. While this had been going on, Grant had been in charge of the District of Cairo and fought his first action of the Civil War at the Battle of Belmont.

5. By the end of December, Sherman was fully recuperated and assigned rear echelon roles until he was placed in command of the Department of Cairo in the aftermath of Grant's victory at Fort Henry and Grant being placed in command of the newly created Department of Western Tennessee.

So Grant went from commanding the Department of Cairo to commanding the Department of Western Tennessee while Sherman went from rear echelon duties to commanding the Department of Cairo - in February 1862.

That means that Sherman had to have turned down the role of Commanding Officer, Department of Western Tennessee, sometime in February 1862 in the world of DisplacedBuckeye.

That is why we have limited our discussion to this particular time period.

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Right, because you don't know what you're talking about.

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I think you're the only one in this thread who now believes this.

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You're referencing the wrong timeframe

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I am not, because this was the only timeframe (May 1861-February 1862) that Sherman outranked Grant.

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Keep asking this question.

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Why won't you produce the order?

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However, we are dealing with this specific time period because it's the only period that makes sense

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Incorrect, and that's why you'll continue to be wrong.

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I think you're the only one in this thread who now believes this.

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It looks like you and I are pretty much all that's left, sport. Don't beat your chest about that.

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I am not, because this was the only timeframe (May 1861-February 1862) that Sherman outranked Grant.

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I didn't say anything about Sherman outranking Grant. I'll add promotions to the list of things you don't understand.

When you figure that out, maybe it will click for you.

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Why won't you produce the order?

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Keep asking this question.