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To the "This could have been prevented crowed with stricter gun laws":
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:23 am
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:23 am
- Police were called to the killer's home 36 times in 6 years.
- A report from a 2016 incident indicates “He had been cutting his arms, his mother said, to get attention, as he learned it from an ex-girlfriend,” deputies said. “He has mentioned in the past that he would like to purchase a firearm.” The therapist on scene, Jared Bienenfeld with Henderson Mental Health, and the deputies concluded there were “no signs of mental illness or criminal activity.”
- He was expelled from his school due to violent threats, and when in school he wasn't allowed to carry a backpack.
- Multiple students reported that they believed the killer could/would act upon his threats.
- He was medicated for behavioral issues, had sought treatment at a mental health clinic, and had experienced the death of his adopted mother late last year.
- After his mother's passing, he moved into the home of a family friend. Knowing his troubled past, they still allowed him to purchase and store a firearm.
- His social media profiles were littered with violent content, and he made a threat online that was "investigated" by the FBI.
- A report from a 2016 incident indicates “He had been cutting his arms, his mother said, to get attention, as he learned it from an ex-girlfriend,” deputies said. “He has mentioned in the past that he would like to purchase a firearm.” The therapist on scene, Jared Bienenfeld with Henderson Mental Health, and the deputies concluded there were “no signs of mental illness or criminal activity.”
- He was expelled from his school due to violent threats, and when in school he wasn't allowed to carry a backpack.
- Multiple students reported that they believed the killer could/would act upon his threats.
- He was medicated for behavioral issues, had sought treatment at a mental health clinic, and had experienced the death of his adopted mother late last year.
- After his mother's passing, he moved into the home of a family friend. Knowing his troubled past, they still allowed him to purchase and store a firearm.
- His social media profiles were littered with violent content, and he made a threat online that was "investigated" by the FBI.
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:25 am to Golfer
quote:
- Police were called to the killer's home 36 times in 6 years.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:28 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Thanks to everyone involved we have dead people.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:29 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
These are situations where technology via predictive analytics would/could identify the killer as a threat to people around him, before the incident actually occurs.
Reports that "he fell through the cracks". No, he was pushed into the Grand Canyon without a parachute.
Reports that "he fell through the cracks". No, he was pushed into the Grand Canyon without a parachute.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:30 am to Golfer
36 times, eh? And he wasn't charged with anything that would prevent him from legally purchasing a firearm? Due process at work.
There is a problem with evil people, not the system. Unless we want to start locking people away before they commit crimes, there's nothing (legally) that could have been done here from what I'm seeing.
There is a problem with evil people, not the system. Unless we want to start locking people away before they commit crimes, there's nothing (legally) that could have been done here from what I'm seeing.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:31 am to Golfer
He should have been held accountable...
Even if it was by Tom Cruise
Even if it was by Tom Cruise
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:31 am to Golfer
Just another case of bad breeding.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:32 am to Golfer
quote:
These are situations where technology via predictive analytics would/could identify the killer as a threat to people around him, before the incident actually occurs
You been watching too many Tom Cruise movies baw, this ain’t minority report.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:32 am to FooManChoo
quote:
There is a problem with evil people, not the system. Unless we want to start locking people away before they commit crimes, there's nothing (legally) that could have been done here from what I'm seeing.
36 little crimes let go by the cops?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:34 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
a time bomb that went off.
out side of banning guns, the solution would be even more power to law officers to put people in nonexistent mental facilities.
No easy answers.
out side of banning guns, the solution would be even more power to law officers to put people in nonexistent mental facilities.
No easy answers.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:34 am to Golfer
quote:
These are situations where technology via predictive analytics would/could identify the killer as a threat to people around him, before the incident actually occurs.
How about we stop trying to approach every problem as something technology could solve, because that is a very lazy approach. This could have been prevented by people. Responsible, rational-thinking people.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:34 am to Golfer
quote:
Police were called to the killer's home 36 times in 6 years.
- A report from a 2016 incident indicates “He had been cutting his arms, his mother said, to get attention, as he learned it from an ex-girlfriend,” deputies said. “He has mentioned in the past that he would like to purchase a firearm.” The therapist on scene, Jared Bienenfeld with Henderson Mental Health, and the deputies concluded there were “no signs of mental illness or criminal activity.”
- He was expelled from his school due to violent threats, and when in school he wasn't allowed to carry a backpack.
- Multiple students reported that they believed the killer could/would act upon his threats.
- He was medicated for behavioral issues, had sought treatment at a mental health clinic, and had experienced the death of his adopted mother late last year.
- After his mother's passing, he moved into the home of a family friend. Knowing his troubled past, they still allowed him to purchase and store a firearm.
- His social media profiles were littered with violent content, and he made a threat online that was "investigated" by the FBI.
Broward County.. The most Liberal county in Florida fricked this up big time. End of story.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:35 am to Golfer
Professionals can conduct a violence risk assessment but these are not always accurate. They are also very expensive and most counties will not pay for them.
Keep in mind that he had already had contact with mental health treatment. He didn't fall through the cracks.
Keep in mind that he had already had contact with mental health treatment. He didn't fall through the cracks.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:35 am to Shepherd88
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You been watching too many Tom Cruise movies baw, this ain’t minority report.
Huh? IBM Watson is already doing these things for Police Departments. And this isn't some highly technical system that's needed. 36 calls to one address should already be a red flag. Merging that with the police/psych report that uses words that "threatened with a gun" and a School System report that indicates he was expelled for "violent behavior" and you've got the killer on a list of one that needs to be monitored/assessed.
quote:
Using IBM predictive analytics software to predict trends, allocate resources and identify crime hot spots, the city of Memphis, Tennessee, rolled out the police department’s Blue CRUSH (Criminal Reduction Utilizing Statistical History) methodology. The City of Memphis is using IBM SPSS predictive analytics software to improve its overall operations, enabling it to considerably reduce crime and expand its territory without a proportional increase in staff. Memphis Police Department recorded an 863 percent return on investment in just 2.7 months.
LINK
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 11:46 am
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:36 am to IceTiger
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36 little crimes let go by the cops?
People call the cops when their kids yet at them these days, so who really knows?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:36 am to The Boat
This is massive failure on many levels and some one along with Cruz should be accountable.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:38 am to Clames
quote:
How about we stop trying to approach every problem as something technology could solve, because that is a very lazy approach. This could have been prevented by people. Responsible, rational-thinking people.
Notice how I included the part that the family he was living with knew of his background, but still let him own a firearm?
I'm not trying to take the lazy way out. I'm pointing out that rationally thinking people, with the access to the right information, could have stopped this. Access to the available information is what I'm noting here.
Colleges all across the US do similar things where they pull GPA data, attendance data (if available), changes in scholarship recipients, on-campus police reports, residential hall incidents, etc. to determine if someone is at risk for dropping/failing out and work to intervene before it happens. Same could/can be done with the Local PD (including FBI report), School System, and Mental Health/Hospital System.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 11:44 am
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:40 am to Golfer
Can we send his new family to death row too?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:45 am to Golfer
But it would be easier to ban guns, then we don't have to infringe on anyone's rights.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:46 am to IceTiger
quote:I don't know what the context was, but the OP said police were called to the home 36 times, not that he was arrested 36 times. That doesn't mean crimes were committed, only that the police were requested to have a visit there.
36 little crimes let go by the cops?
Our justice system is predicated on the notion that people are punished (justice provided) for crimes they commit, not for ones they haven't. If he didn't commit any crimes that would have prevented him from legally purchasing a firearm, then the system worked (from that perspective).
It's a problem with evil people, not guns.
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