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re: To the Anti-trumps on this board
Posted on 12/10/17 at 12:35 pm to MajorTaylor
Posted on 12/10/17 at 12:35 pm to MajorTaylor
Melt, you sound like a big ole pussy! 
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Posted on 12/10/17 at 12:38 pm to volod
quote:Why don't the "best" or even the "average" that we have to offer morally ever win? Why don't the average to good (morally) American voters actually vote for decent leaders if they really care so goddamned much about decency. Oh wait. They don't. Because they themselves aren't that decent.
politicians on both sides represent the worse we have to offer morally.
Politicians are no worse than most people.
Posted on 12/10/17 at 12:41 pm to Navytiger74
Because decent people either don't run, or when they do they get eaten alive by the smear machine.
There aren't many decent people in DC who are even in the conversation for president anyway. It takes a billion plus to make a run and I don't see the cronies lining up behind decent people.
There aren't many decent people in DC who are even in the conversation for president anyway. It takes a billion plus to make a run and I don't see the cronies lining up behind decent people.
Posted on 12/10/17 at 12:46 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:Ok. But that doesn't explain how the two worst (morally) people to seek the presidency in modern times beat out all competition in their respective parties in 2016. Or how an alleged ephebophile beat out other Republicans for nomination to the Senate. Mind you, we're talking intra-party races and primaries, so it's not about "who represents your policy positions." These are the guys the people wanted.
There aren't many decent people in DC who are even in the conversation for president anyway. It takes a billion plus to make a run and I don't see the cronies lining up behind decent people.
Posted on 12/10/17 at 12:50 pm to Navytiger74
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Ok. But that doesn't explain how the two worst (morally) people to seek the presidency in modern times beat out all competition in their respective parties in 2016.
So you still don't know how HRC rigged the entire dnc primary or how she lost the general?
And you still don't understand the protest vote against the rnc and DC that got DJT elected?
Posted on 12/10/17 at 12:52 pm to goatmilker
quote:I understand that obviously decency or "goodness" isn't of paramount concern to most people--obviously.
So you still don't know how HRC rigged the entire dnc primary or how she lost the general? And you still don't understand the protest vote against the rnc and DC that got DJT elected?
That was the point.
Posted on 12/10/17 at 12:52 pm to Navytiger74
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But that doesn't explain how the two worst (morally) people to seek the presidency in modern times
Don't let Bill Clinton hear that. He'll be pissed to know you don't consider him as modern.
Posted on 12/10/17 at 12:52 pm to Navytiger74
Eh. You have to choose from who runs. People fall prey to spin of the well monied candidate far too often. I'll give you that, but I'm not seeing a whole lot of decent people running for anything these days.
I could make a faint hearted argument for Rand Paul, but outside of that, everyone who ran for president was fricking horrible.
I could make a faint hearted argument for Rand Paul, but outside of that, everyone who ran for president was fricking horrible.
Posted on 12/10/17 at 12:54 pm to Navytiger74
quote:all three of those are very easy to explain
Ok. But that doesn't explain how the two worst (morally) people to seek the presidency in modern times beat out all competition in their respective parties in 2016. Or how an alleged ephebophile beat out other Republicans for nomination to the Senate. Mind you, we're talking intra-party races and primaries, so it's not about "who represents your policy positions." These are the guys the people wanted.
Hillary has name recognition and in addition was able to use the party to prevent competition from even entering against her
Roy Moore was the completely logical result of what happens when all of the money flows in behind a candidate nobody wants and then uses that money to run a scorched-earth campaign against Mo Brooks. Basically they poisoned the well. Mo Brooks supporters would have rather stick a needle in their eye then go to the polls for Luther strange after that bullshite primary
Finally Donald Trump is super easy to explain. It started out as him just making the most noise and a multi horse race so that everybody else split the vote among themselves. And then the turning point was when all of the rest of them decided to become Democrats and blame Trump supporters for the fact people were coming to kick their arse.
All three of those are completely easy to explain politically. To pretend otherwise is silly
Posted on 12/10/17 at 12:56 pm to goatmilker
I'm still trying to figure out why it is that people who have it so well in life, never struggle to pay a bill, have no financial worries, and have it better than do most Americans and most people in the world are so damn angry.
Posted on 12/10/17 at 12:57 pm to Navytiger74
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I understand that obviously decency or "goodness" isn't of paramount concern to most people--obviously.
How many of those running last year qualify under that banner?
Posted on 12/10/17 at 12:58 pm to MajorTaylor
People are a lot more "everything" when posting or tweeting and not conversing face to face.
Posted on 12/10/17 at 12:58 pm to ShortyRob
quote:As I thought I intimated to the last person, I'm not sitting here in awe of it. Read my responses in context. I was making the point that we have politicians who "represent the worst" of the citizenry because we obviously don't place a premium on character or decency--though we inexplicably claim to.
All three of those are completely easy to explain politically. To pretend otherwise is silly
How Hillary and Trump won isn't hard to explain at all. How they were selected by people who claim that they want good, honest leaders leading them is.
Posted on 12/10/17 at 1:00 pm to goatmilker
quote:Of those running against Trump, every single one was a better man or woman (possibly excepting Christie).
How many of those running last year qualify under that banner?
Of those running against Clinton, everyone was a better man (though Bernie's shite is way too crazy for the presidency).
Posted on 12/10/17 at 1:04 pm to Navytiger74
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understand that obviously decency or "goodness" isn't of paramount concern to most people--obviously
It would be silly for it to be a fair amount concern
I've said for YEARS that only 3 things matter when voting
1. What the person says he stands for
2. How well does how they actually operate in office comport with #1
3. How well does 1 & 2 match what you want as a voter?
It's impossible to REALLY know the people. Seemingly good people are shite. Good people get their character assassinated
So. I vote based on shite i actually can see
Posted on 12/10/17 at 1:05 pm to Vacherie Saint
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You do realize that they admitted the Benghazi attack had nothing to do with the video and knew it at the time, right?
That isn't something they could have known at the time.
And to this day I have yet to see anyone say what the motivation was if not anger towards the West / U.S.
Posted on 12/10/17 at 1:06 pm to Navytiger74
I can't speak to those who voted HRC and all the whys. I can speak for myself as to my vote for DJT. I see DC, the MSM and the donor class as running amok. Pay for play. Pols in all positions in the MSM. The FBI and the IC community seemingly being politicized. And then my party goes all in for Jeb a RNCe despite our warning not to go for a Clinton v Bush again. I didn't vote for goodness. I voted for a small chance to pull back the curtain and shine a light on all the crap, lies and morally bankrupt people and policies in DC. See slush funds and recent FBI stories as a small sample group.
Posted on 12/10/17 at 1:06 pm to prplhze2000
I think the Clinton haters were highly justified. If anything your post has me more convinced than ever I am right to hate the Trump administration.
Posted on 12/10/17 at 1:06 pm to Lsupimp
You sound like one of those bat-shite crazy InfoWars types.
Posted on 12/10/17 at 1:07 pm to Navytiger74
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the citizenry because we obviously don't place a premium on character or decency--though we inexplicably claim to.
I would place a premium on character if i could actually know their character
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