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re: Time to stock up on Benadryl and Sudafed

Posted on 3/7/23 at 7:07 pm to
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19416 posts
Posted on 3/7/23 at 7:07 pm to
I once did a CME presentation for a leading professor of medicine about the treatment of colds. The entire point was to aggressively treat cold symptoms so as not to create a lung and sinus environment that is conducive to secondary infections like pneumonia.

The cold won't kill you, but the secondary infections certain can.
Posted by conservativewifeymom
Mid Atlantic
Member since Oct 2012
12009 posts
Posted on 3/7/23 at 7:12 pm to
Yes, say it louder for the morons in the back (and at Harvard Medical School).

I've been hearing some crazy stuff lately about the treatment of things like sinus infections and bronchitis. A doctor friend tells me that the latest 'guidance' from Harvard Med (besides their CRT crap) is not to treat bronchitis with antibiotics but just 'let it run its course.' I shudder to think at the implications and suffering this will cause.

Thank you for being sane and for real medical advice and wisdom!

This post was edited on 3/7/23 at 7:14 pm
Posted by DingLeeBerry
Member since Oct 2014
10894 posts
Posted on 3/7/23 at 7:33 pm to
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FDA to review common over-the-counter cold meds due to concerns they're useless.


Out with the cheap and effective and in with the expensive and untested. Let me guess, after they ban them the government will put huge contracts in place for the new stuff to help folks out.
Posted by DingLeeBerry
Member since Oct 2014
10894 posts
Posted on 3/7/23 at 7:36 pm to
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A doctor friend tells me that the latest 'guidance' from Harvard Med (besides their CRT crap) is not to treat bronchitis with antibiotics but just 'let it run its course.' I shudder to think at the implications and suffering this will cause.


I tried to let bronchitis run its course one time and ended up with pneumonia. Is this strategy a way to help push increased pneumonia vaccines?
Posted by conservativewifeymom
Mid Atlantic
Member since Oct 2012
12009 posts
Posted on 3/7/23 at 7:37 pm to
Exactly! Also leads to increased hospitalizations, the need for more aggressive treatments, increased mortality, you name it.

Your guess is as good as mine. Natural selection perhaps? Decreasing the population for climate reasons? Anything's possible in this screwed up world of ours.
This post was edited on 3/7/23 at 7:39 pm
Posted by LSUA 75
Colfax,La.
Member since Jan 2019
3700 posts
Posted on 3/7/23 at 7:58 pm to
diphenhydramine and doxylamine are anticholinergics,long term regular use are associated with cognitive decline and dementia.

Long time friend of mine took Tylenol P M every night for some years.Diagnosed with dementia at age 59.I had noticed that his memory had gotten really bad several years prior to him having to quit work..
Posted by crewdepoo
Hogwarts
Member since Jan 2015
9582 posts
Posted on 3/7/23 at 8:19 pm to
Fake post.
Posted by LatherZap
Member since Mar 2022
816 posts
Posted on 3/7/23 at 8:21 pm to
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And a PT dolt decided to make a stupid sexist statement which was neither solicited nor worth wasting time on.


Oh, please. This is the mirror image of people griping about which pronouns they prefer.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31447 posts
Posted on 3/7/23 at 8:50 pm to
Take 6 Benadryl and tell me how useless it is. It’s all in the dose.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31447 posts
Posted on 3/7/23 at 8:50 pm to
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Oh, please. This is the mirror image of people griping about which pronouns they prefer.


Wat? :onrapidfire:
Posted by LatherZap
Member since Mar 2022
816 posts
Posted on 3/7/23 at 9:11 pm to
Just saying I fail to see how "ditz" is more offensive than, say, the more gender neutral "idiot".
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
9910 posts
Posted on 3/7/23 at 9:34 pm to
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A doctor friend tells me that the latest 'guidance' from Harvard Med (besides their CRT crap) is not to treat bronchitis with antibiotics but just 'let it run its course.'


If you have a link I'd love it. I can't find anything on that and it would be positively insane advice.

In the medical field there *is* a growing resistance to prescribing antibiotics for every bacterial infection, but that has far more to do with antibiotic resistance than a desire to let something "run its course."

A lot of patients still request antibiotics for any illness they get and a lot of physicians prescribe them because they don't want to argue. Secondary infections are obviously a risk any time the immune system is hit but proactively prescribing antibiotics is bad policy.

Anything involving a lung or in the jaw/neck/head area is a no-brainer, though.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
9910 posts
Posted on 3/7/23 at 9:40 pm to
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Take 6 Benadryl and tell me how useless it is. It’s all in the dose.


But again, they're referring to a singular ingredient in a multi-ingredient medicine.

Benadryl is - above all - an antihistamine, and a very effective one.

Pseudoephedrine and ephedrine are very effective vasoconstrictors and bronchodilators, which are great for asthma and can provide some relief for allergies and infections.

Phenylephrine was used as a replacement for ephedrine and pseudoephedrine when those two ingredients became common for the production of methamphetamine. The problem is, it really doesn't work at all.

To be honest I didn't think phenylephrine was even in benadryl, but I know it's in some sudafed formulations. Like benadryl, sudafed is a cocktail of various drugs. So they're both effective despite the fact that they include an ineffective drug.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 3/7/23 at 9:44 pm to
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I tried to get Sudafed without tylenol and it was sold out


I got what you need, guh. Come west.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31447 posts
Posted on 3/7/23 at 10:27 pm to
Gotcha.
Posted by TxWadingFool
Middle Coast
Member since Sep 2014
4366 posts
Posted on 3/7/23 at 10:33 pm to
Sending my POS brother in law to Matamoros to get van load for cedar fever season here in South Texas.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79122 posts
Posted on 3/7/23 at 10:33 pm to
You’re talking about pseudoephedrine which does work, not phenylephrine which is absolutely useless and does not work
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6--Brazos River Backwater
Member since Sep 2015
26126 posts
Posted on 3/7/23 at 10:39 pm to
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severely curtaining the use of antibiotics

Good. Widespread isolate resistance to antibiotics is the scourge of modern medicine.

Did you know that conventional penicillin is useless against all known bacterial infections except one: the worm that causes syphilis! That's right: T. pallidum spirochetes haven't evolved enough in nearly 100 years, to be able to resist a jab of long-acting Penicillin G.
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6--Brazos River Backwater
Member since Sep 2015
26126 posts
Posted on 3/7/23 at 10:45 pm to
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Benadryl is - above all - a sedative

Fixed it for you.

I remember being savagely stung by about 10 wasps in my back yard. One tablespoon of Benadryl (tastes good)! put me out cold for about 4 hours
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
9910 posts
Posted on 3/7/23 at 10:52 pm to
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Fixed it for you.


Well yes, antihistamines have near universal sedative quality.

But there are better sedatives and not many better anti allergens.
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