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re: Tim Kaine appears to reject notion that people have natural rights. Yikes

Posted on 9/4/25 at 9:30 pm to
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109734 posts
Posted on 9/4/25 at 9:30 pm to
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People only have the rights their government gives them. And any and all of them can be taken away instantly.


The neat thing about our nation is, I think we are the only one (or certainly the first) to declare our rights before we formed a government.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
148407 posts
Posted on 9/4/25 at 11:48 pm to
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5 pages and neither SFP or Powerman have portrayed the Ackchyually guy?
I just scrolled 6 pages waiting to see Slopes co-signing
Posted by timdonaghyswhistle
Member since Jul 2018
20798 posts
Posted on 9/4/25 at 11:53 pm to
"Endowed by our Creator."
Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
8337 posts
Posted on 9/4/25 at 11:58 pm to
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"Endowed by our Creator."


bastard shortchanged me
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
20606 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 6:48 am to
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I'm betting you don't know any liberals very closely, but you sure seem to have a strong opinion of them.

Half of my family are DC pro government liberals who have never voted for a Republican in their life.

They believe in “science”, by which I mean the expert class over their own lived experiences or logic.

They can get blood clots at age 30 a day after getting a Covid booster with no family history of clots but will attack anyone who says there are risks to taking the Covid shots.

If the experts tell them arresting the people who stole their moped is racist then it’s racist and they won’t call the cops even though they’ve never treated anyone based on race in their life.

If the expert class tells them that firearms are incredibly dangerous despite them growing up around weapons used for hunting and sporting clays then it’s dangerous and they should be banned.

They’re book smart, but extraordinarily compliant.

To them the obvious solution to most of the problems in the nation are to be found by expanding what they view as a benevolent and fundamentally good national government rather than evaluating whether the policies they voted for in their 95:5 democratic city could actually be causing the issues they live with daily.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3784 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 9:29 am to
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To them the obvious solution to most of the problems in the nation are to be found by expanding what they view as a benevolent and fundamentally good national government

Like putting soldiers in our streets?

Yeah, that bird don't fly no more.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
20606 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 9:32 am to
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Like putting soldiers in our streets?

You skipped the why.

You know, the part where the left opened the borders to non-western immigrants in the hopes of importing voters and driving down labor costs, stopped prosecuting crime at the local level and refuses in blue states to cooperate with the legal authority of the federal government to remove people who have no legal right to be here, all of which was part of their stated agenda?
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27004 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:13 am to
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His comparison of the concept of natural rights to theocratic authoritarianism is absurd


Agreed.

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Rights are, by definition, restraints on government power which is the complete opposite of authoritarian measures.


And yet, the population (the government) still decides what those rights (restraints) are.

Tim Kaine is right in that the local populations (majorities) are who decide what natural rights are.

Do you think if 80% of our founding fathers didn't think people had the right to bear arms that the second amendment would exist? Of course not.

People run the government, so people decide what rights and laws are.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11528 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 11:25 am to
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Matt Walsh believes the comment is grounds for his removal from office


It's a violation of a political piety, hence the performative outrage, but there are lots of non-natural-rights justifications for liberty, republicanism, and democracy (or whatever other political concepts float your boat) for quite some time. This is also true of rw folks, (e.g. in the tech post-lib camp).
This post was edited on 9/5/25 at 11:27 am
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