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re: Tim Kaine appears to reject notion that people have natural rights. Yikes
Posted on 9/4/25 at 12:35 pm to TheHarahanian
Posted on 9/4/25 at 12:35 pm to TheHarahanian
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We dodged such a large bullet in 2016.
Yeah, we did. Imagine if Covid still got out, and we had Merrick Garland and two other Leftist hacks sitting on the court. They would force us to take an injection every six months to a year or else we starve and lose our homes.
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Posted on 9/4/25 at 12:48 pm to Harry Boutte
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I've been told that since if I don't pay my property tax, it could be seized by the government, and therefore, I don't actually own it.
This is something that needs to be reformed as FL is looking to do.
Property ownership should mean ownership, not renting land from the state.
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If you rely on government to secure your rights, you don't really have them.
God in the Christian bible didn't enshrine us with land ownership rights.
He gave us certain inalienable rights as divine creatures.
Beyond that it was "Render unto Caesar" etc.
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I see it as more of realpolitik warning than a worshiping of government.
The state is the highest entity for them because they hold no belief in God and as such all morality is relative rather than objective.
Whether you want to characterize that as a "god" or just an all powerful entity that guides using force all day to day life is up to you, but the results are largely the same.
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Plus, you don't have to believe in God to think that we have inalienable Natural Rights.
While this is true and I believe we should enshrine additional rights as we did in the Bill of Rights beyond what God specifically outlined, it is also true that the morality and governmental structures the founders built are all fundamentally Christian in concept.
So whether you or anyone else believes in the God from which our moralistic worldview was sourced, it can be viewed as just a shared consensus as to right vs wrong even if you opt to extract the biblical origins of the concepts.
Otherwise without some shared moral foundation you get what we've seen on the left with their nihilistic "do as thou will" worldview where post birth abortions, government encouraged euthanasia and gulags/work camps are allowed because ultimately who is to say any of that is wrong if we cant agree on what is even good vs bad?
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Posted on 9/4/25 at 12:59 pm to TrueTiger
Imbued by the creator would mean whoever created us gave us inalienable rights. Like Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for example....
Posted on 9/4/25 at 1:00 pm to wareaglepete
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When people worship the government above all else, then it is also a theocracy.
I dont think its that. I think if rights are given by our creator then they cant be taken away by a mere mortal government bureaucrat. And they want to be able to take away your rights, especially your second amendment rights so they can take all the rest of them.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 1:01 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Did he say Shia law? 
Posted on 9/4/25 at 2:20 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Did any of his Republican colleagues call him out for that statement?
Posted on 9/4/25 at 2:33 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The lack of intellect or reason from the dems' last 3 P/VP candidates is astonishing. Is it that they don't have a choice of actual intelligent people, or do they prefer the idiots for control?
Posted on 9/4/25 at 2:39 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Tbh, I dont really care. Nothing against OP, but who is Tim Caine & what does it matter what he says?
Posted on 9/4/25 at 2:39 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Tim Kaine and Tim Walz have been the biggest goobers to ever have a shot at being Vice-President. They make Agnew and Mondale look like Roosevelt and Churchill.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 2:41 pm to This GUN for HIRE
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but who is Tim Caine & what does it matter what he says?
Well, he's a US Senator, so we should probably at least keep an eye on what those people are up to.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 2:45 pm to GRTiger
I know he's a senator. Not my point. He's nothing but a blowhard, running his trap. He knows what he said is a lie. Been out of the news cycle too long & he's trying to fire up the loonies.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 2:46 pm to tide06
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The state is the highest entity for them because they hold no belief in God
That's a rather sweeping, and baseless, generalization. The liberals I know hold the individual up as the highest entity.
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it is also true that the morality and governmental structures the founders built are all fundamentally Christian in concept.
It's also true that Christianity is fundamentally Jewish in concept. So I guess you could say the morality and governmental structures the founders built are all fundamentally Jewish in concept.
I think you could also say that the morality and governmental structures the founders built are all fundamentally Greek in concept, as neither the Jews nor the Christians ever mentioned democratic forms of government, only monarchies where the power to govern is derived from God.
Our government is a direct output of the Age of Enlightenment - which is when, for the first time in recorded history, mankind threw off the chains of the Church and learned to govern himself. That is the SINGLE most important aspect of our form of government - that the power to govern, for the first time in history, is derived from the people, not the divine right of kings.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 2:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Televise his next town hall see how it goes for him. Sad part is he don’t give a shite
Posted on 9/4/25 at 2:48 pm to This GUN for HIRE
Your point was we can ignore the crazies. My response was we probably shouldn't ignore the crazies that can affect policy and other mildly important things like a Senator can.
When do you find it reasonable to pay attention to an elected official working in their official capacity?
When do you find it reasonable to pay attention to an elected official working in their official capacity?
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:12 pm to GRTiger
My point is, it doesn't matter what he says when he says something so outlandish as this. It means nothing & will have no effect except with the loonies.
Yeah, its good to know who he really is, but we already knew he was a scumbag commie POS.
Like I said, he's been out of the news cycle for too long & he had to say something so ignorant & stupid to get back in it.
I'm more concerned with his actions & how he votes than his clown takes that the majority know better.
Yeah, its good to know who he really is, but we already knew he was a scumbag commie POS.
Like I said, he's been out of the news cycle for too long & he had to say something so ignorant & stupid to get back in it.
I'm more concerned with his actions & how he votes than his clown takes that the majority know better.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:29 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
He was raised Catholic and probably shows up for Communion but is really a closet atheist. As an atheist he would of course reject the belief that rights are granted by God. He only appears Catholic so he doesn’t lose the useful idiot votes.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:36 pm to Harry Boutte
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That's a rather sweeping, and baseless, generalization.
The vast majority of western liberals are not Christian.
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The liberals I know hold the individual up as the highest entity.
Absolutely incorrect regardless of who your liberal friends are.
Liberals in a modern American or Western European context are collectivist and tend to bestow powers to the state rather than the individual.
Canada? Collectivist.
UK? Collectivist.
Germany? Collectivist.
The only western nation with strong individual rights at this point is the US.
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It's also true that Christianity is fundamentally Jewish in concept. So I guess you could say the morality and governmental structures the founders built are all fundamentally Jewish in concept.
If you want call it judeo-Christian I won’t quibble but it’s a differentiation without a difference as non of the founders or signers were Jewish and the vast majority were Protestant Christians.
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Our government is a direct output of the Age of Enlightenment - which is when, for the first time in recorded history, mankind threw off the chains of the Church and learned to govern himself
On this we agree, but again would stipulate that the morality on which the laws were written and the culture was based were all Christian in origin.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:48 pm to tide06
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Liberals in a modern American or Western European context are collectivist and tend to bestow powers to the state rather than the individual.
Fantasy.
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If you want call it judeo-Christian I won’t quibble but it’s a differentiation without a difference
Actually we can trace Jewish legal and moral traditions to Babylon and Egypt.
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On this we agree, but again would stipulate that the morality on which the laws were written and the culture was based were all Christian in origin.
More correctly, based, fundamentally, on the Babylonian Code of Hammurabi.
From the 23 marble relief portraits over the gallery doors of the House Chamber in the U.S. Capitol depicting historical figures noted for their work in establishing the principles that underlie American law:
Can you spot Hammurabi?
You keep trying to squeeze this round peg into your square Christianity.
And yes, morality is different from one society to another, and changes over time.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:57 pm to tide06
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He wants to move the Chinese model here and views us as citizens the same way the ChiCom central party views their populace.
That has been their goal all along.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 4:14 pm to AllbyMyRelf
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When people use phrases like “divine rights/law” and “natural rights/law”, they’re almost always referring to a body of classical legal theory stemming from Aquinas.
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The Declaration’s reference to “unalienable Rights”—life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness—draws from John Locke’s ideas of natural rights (life, liberty, and property). Jefferson’s choice of “pursuit of happiness” over “property” emphasizes individual fulfillment and autonomy. These rights are described as inherent, granted by a Creator, and not subject to being taken away by any government.
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights????Life?Liberty?and the pursuit of Happiness???????—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —
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