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re: Thoughts on vaccines?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 3:21 pm to ThuperThumpin
Posted on 8/26/25 at 3:21 pm to ThuperThumpin
quote:We've gotten better at diagnosing autism as well as overdiagnosing autism. We've expanded the definition of the Autism Spectrum. Cast a wider net, catch more fish. There is additional money for schools for children with autism. Numerous reasons for why the numbers have climbed.
Are you saying we havent gotten better at diagnosis?
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 3:25 pm to Schleynole
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If the vaccines work then why do people care if everyone is vaxxed?
Probably because we don't want to bring back diseases that have been almost completely eradicated? It would not be a good thing for our healthcare system overall to bring back something like polio.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 3:27 pm to idsrdum
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It is interesting is that modern medicine seems to view antibody production as FREE. But adaptive arm (antibody production) activation is conserved unless the innate immune system cannot handle alone. It appears this may be because antibody production is biologically resource-intensive. There were examples in Covid with individuals who overcame exposure to the virus without seroconverting (creating antibodies). This seems like an important fact to me. We need to consider that telling your body to make antibodies will have trade-offs in other areas.
Your body is making those antibodies anyway. Because you are always dealing with antigenic material. Much of it won't result in anything, this line of resource trade-off is nonsensical. If there anything that should be resource-intensive, it is your immune system.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 3:31 pm to burger bearcat
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Are our immune systems not allowed serving a purpose any longer?
The vaccination schedule is mimicking the process by which your body produces immune protection. Vaccination simply allows us to expose antigenic material in a safe manner for several diseases that were once deadly but have now since conquered. And the point of continued vaccination is so that we keep them conquered. The human body makes the calculation directly, by the way that antibodies are produced, that ties the health of everyone in a community together. Vaccines take advantage of this so as to confer protection for diseases which we no longer have a regular exposure.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 3:31 pm to TigerDoc
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That’s why the best move is leaning on a doctor you already trust - someone who’s been straight with you in the past
Hopefully no one is unfortunate enough to trust you.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 3:32 pm to Schleynole
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If the vaccines work then why do people care if everyone is vaxxed?
Because the fact that infectious disease is infectious? I don't even understand this objection.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 3:33 pm to burger bearcat
After the pharmaceutical money grab related to covid, I don't know how anyone can 100% trust vaccines or any other pharmaceutical for that matter.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 3:33 pm to jbdawgs03
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Also, RFK is going to push for a schedule change which will open a lot of the sheep’s eyes when the rates of autism and other chronic illnesses start to decline. Need JD to win in 28 to hold the line for this to occur though.
Lol.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 3:34 pm to riverdiver
The overwhelming majority of autism screenings and detection is focused on kids because occupational and speech therapy etc. are very effective at that age.
I'm sure that if we started heavily screening 40 year olds for autism you'd see an increase as well.
This is one of the main reasons that I think the entire conspiracy theory that vaccines cause autism and that there is a conspiracy to make everyone sicker falls apart. If the powers that be didn't want us to know that autism rates were going up they would discourage early detection and screening.
I'm sure that if we started heavily screening 40 year olds for autism you'd see an increase as well.
This is one of the main reasons that I think the entire conspiracy theory that vaccines cause autism and that there is a conspiracy to make everyone sicker falls apart. If the powers that be didn't want us to know that autism rates were going up they would discourage early detection and screening.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 3:38 pm to Ricardo
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By that I mean not much effort is done to study the benefits of living a healthy lifestyle. Like good hygiene, eating well, exercise, sunlight, proper rest.
Infectious disease doesn't care about that.
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The medical/scientific community tends to attribute all the benefits of modern life to vaccines/medicine and none of the detrimental side effects of vaccines whilst ignoring the positives of modern life.
What are the detrimental side effects of vaccines/medicines? There are four main reasons for the world being the way it is. The first is water and waste management, which allowed us to control the vectors of a few very potent illnesses. The second is the Second Agricultural Revolution. And the third is vaccination, which makes it possible to actually eradicate specific diseases. The last is the introduction of antibiotics. All of this combined has led to massive population growth and a massive increase in the life expectancy of the average person.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 3:56 pm to crazy4lsu
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quote:By that I mean not much effort is done to study the benefits of living a healthy lifestyle. Like good hygiene, eating well, exercise, sunlight, proper rest.
Infectious disease doesn't care about that.
HIV says hold my beer
Posted on 8/26/25 at 3:59 pm to texag7
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Did I specifically state that? Nope
You called me, and I quote, a “Covid believer.”
Yes, COVID is real. How can you believe otherwise?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:05 pm to Powerman
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Probably because we don't want to bring back diseases that have been almost completely eradicated? It would not be a good thing for our healthcare system overall to bring back something like polio.
So I am assume you are in favor of closing the borders to unvaccinated 3rd worlders?
This post was edited on 8/26/25 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:05 pm to OccamsStubble
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HIV says hold my beer
Well, I'm guessing you don't want to hear about this history of HIV, or rather, why several closely related simian viruses never infected humans at those levels until modernization. It's an interesting history, involving mass displacement, urbanization, colonialism as well as vaccination programs.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:11 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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You called me, and I quote, a “Covid believer.” Yes, COVID is real. How can you believe otherwise?
Why are you being obtuse? You know what he’s saying. It seems like you are trying to avoid the actual question.
It’s ok to acknowledge that you were wrong about some things related to COVID. I’d have a lot more faith in doctors who would speak openly on the subject.
I’m skeptical of doctors who won’t answer the question or who won’t acknowledge that they were wrong and overly trusted centralized medicine.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:12 pm to burger bearcat
Bad
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:17 pm to crazy4lsu
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Because the fact that infectious disease is infectious? I don't even understand this objection.
If the vaccines work then the people that have vaccines can't get the infectious disease. If they work the vaccinated are not at risk so why does it matter if someone isn't vaccinated. If they don't work what's the point.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:21 pm to crazy4lsu
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The vaccination schedule is mimicking the process by which your body produces immune protection
Then why an std vaccine at 5 hrs old?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:25 pm to Schleynole
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If the vaccines work then the people that have vaccines can't get the infectious disease. If they work the vaccinated are not at risk so why does it matter if someone isn't vaccinated. If they don't work what's the point.
Take a step back and think about what you're asking.
Why would you care if someone in the 50's didn't take the polio vaccine and ended up paralyzed from the virus? If you didn't have a heart, sure you wouldn't care, but wouldn't you have rather them taken the vaccine and very likely not have been paralyzed?
If you think about it your question can be summarized as "why do you care about other people?".
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:27 pm to crazy4lsu
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Well, I'm guessing you don't want to hear about this history of HIV, or rather, why several closely related simian viruses never infected humans at those levels until modernization. It's an interesting history, involving mass displacement, urbanization, colonialism as well as vaccination programs.
Holy schitt are you the silly azz look-at-me Covid expert with the bald guy in your sig from back in the day?
An FYI, HIV was spread, in part, by unprotected sex and IV drug abuse, i.e. NOT “living a healthy lifestyle”
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