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re: Thoughts on 9/11

Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:02 pm to
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:02 pm to
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NIST had an official investigation and released a report on building 7. Literally every truther myth has been debunked.



You are wrong.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:04 pm to
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Were they still burning 5 days after?


No they were not. Why?

Why was 1,2, and 7 so hot when 5 and 6 were between 1 & 2 and 7.

The heat signatures are showing ground surface temperatures of 1,341 degrees five days later at 1, 2, and 7. Nothing at 5 and 6.
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 2:06 pm
Posted by Choctaw
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:06 pm to
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This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 2:07 pm
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:06 pm to
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No they were not. Why?


Because the fires were put out?

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Why was 1,2, and 7 so hot when 5 and 6 were between 1 & 2 and 7


Because 1, 2, and 7 were still burning underneath a shite ton of rubble?

This seems like really basic stuff here, man.


Posted by Choctaw
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:08 pm to
quote:

You are wrong.


You can Google NIST official report on building 7. It's not that difficult.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:10 pm to
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I have a "cease and desist" order from a Mr ThinePreparedAni. We are going to have to shut down this thread. It is an intellectual property thing. You understand.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:17 pm to
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It was definitely the perfect excuse to tighten their grip on surveillance, remove freedoms and in a counter-punch maneuver


Why would they wanna do that?
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:17 pm to
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Don't hate on people just because they ask questions.
Nobody hates on people for that.

When people ask "ok, what do you think happened" and they respond "I don't know, but it didn't happen like they said", that's when the hate comes out.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:21 pm to
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Nobody hates on people for that.


the "why do you get angry at us for just asking questions" is the conspiracy theorists go-to strawman

nobody gets angry at you for asking questions

we get frustrated when your questions get legitimately answered and you choose to ignore those answers and then move on to the next "question" and so forth

it never ends

that is why conspiracies are so great, they can go as deep as you want

and for something as big at 9/11, it has to go super deep



Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:23 pm to
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the "why do you get angry at us for just asking questions" is the conspiracy theorists go-to strawman

nobody gets angry at you for asking questions

we get frustrated when your questions get legitimately answered and you choose to ignore those answers and then move on to the next "question" and so forth

it never ends

that is why conspiracies are so great, they can go as deep as you want

and for something as big at 9/11, it has to go super deep



Exactly, they focus on certain details that even they can't explain and use it as the basis of their claim.

It involves way too many people for it to be plausible.
Posted by RazorBroncs
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:31 pm to
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How did Building 7 Collapse? It was not hit by a plane. It is said that there was some office fires, but office fires would not cause a building to collapse like that


I question everything too, but this is one dumb arse narrative that people repeat.

WTC7 had fires burning on over 30 floors for over 7 hours with ZERO water to fight it with. That’s over 300 vertical feet of building on fire, and the fires burned on 30 of the lower floors - that’s a LOT of weight on 300 feet of building that’s been compromised by hours of fires and debris from 1&2 slicing through it like butter when they fell.

Why would the building owner be ON TAPE secretly telling demolition crews disguised as firefighters to go ahead and demolish the building (which also happened much much later on, guess his crew sucked) if he was trying to bring it down for insurance money?

Oh yeah, it’s because that’s a myth that continuously gets repeated for some reason. Turns out, that WASNT the building owner saying “pull it” in the video/audio, that’s actually the fire chief on the scene. They had just found out that the fires were much worse than they had thought and that the building was ultimately unsafe, thus the order to pull all of his men out before it collapsed. Makes WAY more sense that way, huh?

And structural steel starts to weaken at roughly 850 degrees, while an office fire with zero fuel reaches about 1800 degrees. WTC7 also had multiple generators with 100+ gallon fuel tanks and was on a makeshift foundational structure that was never meant to hold the additional floors that were added.

Like I said, I question everything and USED to question the 9/11 attacks until I educated myself and really broke it down - now it’s probably what i question the least.

IF there’s anything that is being kept secret it’s that our government MAY have had prior knowledge but still not have known the exact date it would occur. There’s no way they pulled off any “feat” other than that.


Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:38 pm to
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Thoughts on 9/11


I Thank God George Bush was President when this happened and not Al Gore. Think back to how close the 2000 election was. I don't want to think what direction this country would have gone if Gore was President.

We are still feeling the effects of 9/11 and will always feel them. 1/2 of this country are afraid to make Muslims mad, they say they are all peaceful and should be allowed in as much as they want. Meanwhile 1/2 of this country are still skeptical of Muslims being allowed in in the first place. Almost every political action taken since has been in some way, effected by 9/11. The terrorist won a major victory by taking away freedoms we took for granted.
Posted by OG Supreme
Member since Aug 2018
366 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:49 pm to
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Our own government was not behind 9/11. We know this because our government is incompetent. And of course, if our government would have been behind it, the Clintons would have somehow been involved, and if the Clintons were involved, the Chinese would have known.

Simple logical deduction? 9/11 wasn't a false fig operation.



I wonder if there's like deep elements to government that aren't associated with the local DMV.

Posted by RazorBroncs
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:50 pm to
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Building 7 fell at free fall speed. There has yet to be an explanation for this. I would love it if someone in here could explain it to me


Do some research that isn’t one of the conspiracy videos, but one of them debunking them. WTC7 had some design issues that were only exacerbated when it was added-on to years later, and the “support structure” (I forget the technical term they used for it) was an extremely rare kind that wasn’t normally used for buildings it’s size.

The building was supported up the center with a steel structure that gave way near the very bottom, so the insides of the building were collapsing well before it was ever visible from the outside. This left the outer walls to their own devices as basically a hollow shell with no support, which then fell as everyone saw. It all happens quickly but in the videos you CAN see the center section of the roof/top floor collapsing before any of the walls start falling shortly after.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
63263 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:53 pm to
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Why would they wanna do that?

Statist government structures are like your mother. They want to know everything about everyone and control every little thing you do - for your own good.

Statists themselves are, IMO, basically shitty people who despise humanity and think most of us should be pressed down into labor to support their self-appointed, self-defined "elitist" vision of humanity.

Basically, just another bunch of assholes who think they know what life is for and how everyone should live it. And it's built on a level of narcissism that is hostile to all other perspectives.
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:20 pm to
I'll bite, context of the announcement? Time period it was over?

I'll also ask a follow up question. If there was a conspiracy to destroy everything evidence wise why would Rumsfield leave a breadcrumb?

Oh look the actual full quote.

quote:

The technology revolution has transformed organizations across the private sector, but not ours, not fully, not yet. We are, as they say, tangled in our anchor chain. Our financial systems are decades old. According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions. We cannot share information from floor to floor in this building because it's stored on dozens of technological systems that are inaccessible or incompatible.

Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld. Monday September 10th, 2001?




It was a fricking speech about getting new accounting software you goddamned chickenshit.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
41010 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:36 pm to
It's hilarious to see "conservatives" make fun of those in this thread who question the government's narrative regarding 9/11. If elements of our government are willing to try and effectuate a coup against our President, the most powerful man in the world, using all of the secretive and nefarious devices at their disposal, what do you think they would or could do to us little people if it meant more power and money?
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138151 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:41 pm to
They can question all they want but when they refuse to accept some logical answers, then they lose credibility.
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:42 pm to
We'd have 1 out of every 10 people involved with the 9/11 "conspiracy" writing books and screaming from pulpits if it was true. America is good and great at many things, subterfuge is not one and it's why the Israelis and Russians kick our arse at it. It's the only thing they got going strong.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
25624 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:43 pm to
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It's hilarious to see "conservatives" make fun of those in this thread who question the government's narrative regarding 9/11. If elements of our government are willing to try and effectuate a coup against our President, the most powerful man in the world, using all of the secretive and nefarious devices at their disposal, what do you think they would or could do to us little people if it meant more power and money?


And yet again I ask....how many people would it take to pull off 9/11? Something that happened 18 years ago. How would you keep all those people from talking, leaking something, anything? Hell, at least where the POTUS is concerned you have sitting Senators talking about how they wake up in the middle of the night thinking of how to get rid of him.
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