re: This is why Russian must be defeated in Ukraine

Google the Kaliningrad Oblast and get back with me…you know not of which you talk.

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1. We are not fighting.

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Yes, we are.

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2. If Putin hadn’t invaded then we would be free to focus on Biden and the democrats corruption. Are you saying that Putin invaded Ukraine and started the largest war of this century to protect Biden?

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If we hadn't provoked Putin, which is exactly what we did slowly but surely over the past decade, there would have been no "invasion". You've been propagandized by the same government & media that's been lying to you for years, & has been caught lying about this war repeatedly since it's inception. The only response to these statements is "you're pro-Putin" with the intention of ending further discussion, & is totally ridiculous.

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Are you saying that Putin invaded Ukraine and started the largest war of this century to protect Biden?

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That "Are you saying..." is a textbook lefty tactic/message board BS and always ends up being part of a truly ignorant question.

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Putin used similar language to describe Ukraine prior to the invasion of Ukraine.

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I don't think this is true because the history of Ukraine is quite different - as in how it was formed, its borders etc. So, I don't think he'd be using similar language to discuss these nations.

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He is now talking about how Lithuania should be part of Russia and is not a real country.

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I haven't seen this. Is there a link to the quote?

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there is no doubt in my mind that Putin and/or his successor if United Russia and its cronies stay in power would move against Lithuania and Poland if they had the military capability to do so.

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Russia has had 30 years to build a military capable of doing this and yet they haven't. Their military, prior to the Ukraine war, was profoundly inadequate to do this. They are now building up because of the NATO threat, and entered Ukraine with a relatively small force and certainly did not move like a nation trying to conquer one and move on to another. They are still far, far short of the military required to go invade more nations. They aren't even showing signs they seek to hold and secure Ukraine. Only one entity in Europe has been on the march for the past 30 years and that's NATO.

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However, if Putin is not stopped and humiliated in Ukraine then Russia will move on Lithuania and/or Poland

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No, that's not happening. Go look at a map. Poland is quite large. And it has a large coastline. Russia would face resistance from three sides, whether attacking Poland or Lithuania or both, and would have to push logistics in a straight line from Russia through Belarus, which would be quite vulnerable to disruption. Russia's military has not been prioritized for expeditionary fighting at all - it's for continental defense - defense of Russia.

Attacking into Poland or Lithuania - at a bare minimum - would bring US carriers, subs, and other surface vessels into the region, right off the Polish coast. Russia has not built a force to protect and sustain a fighting force going from Moscow out into Poland, which is like 700 miles or so. Do you have any idea what sort of logistics footprint we required to get forces from Kuwait to Baghdad? That was about half the distance. Do you have any idea how much air defense would have to be established to protect a force projection so far from home soil? We could talk strengths and weaknesses but the bottom line is that it would be very ugly for everyone involved and end up not being feasible for Russia. They are not even close to contemplating some leap frog maneuver around Europe to re-assemble the Soviet empire.

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even though Poland would probably defeat Russia

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1 v 1 Poland would get wrecked. Let's say they decided to go to war for control of Belarus, so they meet in the middle. Poland would get destroyed very quickly. This of course is not how things would play out, and Poland has certainly not constructed its military for a 1 v 1 against Russia, but in a direct comparison, Russia has the better military. For some reason, people forget that before this Ukraine thing, Russia was known to have a respectable military - it just wasn't massive like the Soviet military and had not been constructed for expeditionary operations.

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Yes, we are giving Ukraine a lot of aid and money that would be better spent securing and improving the USA, but it’s cheap compared to the money we would have to spend if Russia moved in a NATO nation.

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This Russian boogeyman narrative is baseless and absurd. They would have to double their military to even begin contemplating such a move. It's one thing to go into a nation and remove a regime or destroy military capability and then get out. It's another thing altogether to secure that nation in order to make it part of your new empire. I find the inability to understand the massive difference in military power and personnel required for these different end states to be profoundly disturbing and a willful ignorance that is hard to understand.

In WWII, Poland was caught flat footed by Germany. Still, Germany, wanting to conquer Poland, invaded with 1.5 million men. Russia is not even in the universe of manning required to begin thinking about conquering nations and creating an empire.

We are just wasting money in Ukraine, while an entire generation of military aged men are wiped out. I don't know how Ukraine gets back to normal after this.

Russia is not reassembling anything and if you want peace there is only one way to get it at this point - the US must stop all aid to Ukraine. It will force Ukraine to pick up the phone and negotiate with Russia. The war would be over in a day.

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Russia's puppet caused a civil war.


How did he cause a civil war?

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Victor Yanukovych did not cause a civil war. He caused a successful rebellion against the government in Ukraine by backing away from his campaign promise to join the EU. After he was fled the country and was removed from office Russia illegally invaded Crimea and eastern Ukraine.

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Are you seriously saying that the CIA/US had nothing to do with the color revolution in 2014 that put the US back in control over Ukraine?

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1. It was not a color revolution. Ukraine's color revolution was in 2004 when Victor Yanokovich's fraudulent election was tossed out by the Ukrainian Constitutional Court.

2. I moved back to Kyiv from Moscow 2 months prior to the start of the Maiden revolution in 2013 and 2014. I observed the whole thing and even treated some of the protestors in the hospital after they were injured by Yanukovych's thugs was not backed by the CIA. Only a conspiracy theorist who also happens to be a dumbass would believe such nonsense.

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Second, the US puppet was ousted in the next elections by a non-Western puppet in Zelensky.

How on earth do you think Zelensky is NOT a US puppet?

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1. Petro Poroshenko was the USA's preferred candidate in 2019. He is also the one who the Biden family's corrupt deals were made with. Zelensky was financially supported by Ukrainian oligarchs and the people. His tv show Servant of the People hit home with the people of Ukraine and in it (I think it is season 2 or maybe 3) he actually makes fun of the Biden-Burisma connection in one of the episodes.

2. Zelensky has called out the Biden administration several times. A puppet does not do that.

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This is why Russian must be defeated in Ukraine

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So when are you going to go and join the fight?

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1. We are not fighting.


Yes, we are.

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Please list the American military units deployed to the front lines in Ukraine.

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2. If Putin hadn’t invaded then we would be free to focus on Biden and the democrats corruption. Are you saying that Putin invaded Ukraine and started the largest war of this century to protect Biden?


If we hadn't provoked Putin, which is exactly what we did slowly but surely over the past decade, there would have been no "invasion". You've been propagandized by the same government & media that's been lying to you for years, & has been caught lying about this war repeatedly since it's inception. The only response to these statements is "you're pro-Putin" with the intention of ending further discussion, & is totally ridiculous.

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If I have been propagandized then you have propagandized by alternate sources of news that happen to be full of organic fertilizer.

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Are you saying that Putin invaded Ukraine and started the largest war of this century to protect Biden?


That "Are you saying..." is a textbook lefty tactic/message board BS and always ends up being part of a truly ignorant question.

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1. I am not a leftist. I have never voted democrat in my life.

2. The truly ignorant things that have been said are the statements about the war being a money grab.

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Not our problem. Let the Europeans do their thing.

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Exactly.

Which Russian are we talking about here. Which singular Russian person must be defeated

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If I have been propagandized then you have propagandized by alternate sources of news that happen to be full of organic fertilizer.

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Ukraine is corrupt. Extremely corrupt

Europe has far more concern than we, don't need involved.

We created a war of attrition, which will drag on killing men and resources with little gain for anyone.

This isn't propaganda, its fact.