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re: This is probably a dumb question, but why is Neo-Nazism considered right wing?
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:20 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:20 pm to AggieHank86
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I think early-term abortions should NOT be prohibited, and I know full-well that Texas will prohibit them as soon as it gets the chance. Nonetheless, I think that Texas should be making the rules about the availability of the procedure within the boundaries of Texas.
The question on abortion is not one of individual rights. Unless we can settle that the taking of human life doesn't violate civil rights.
Try something a little less inflammatory because you're just proving my point otherwise.
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:And that is exactly my point. A given ideology can have elements that might be considered Left and other elements that might be considered Right. And this is the reason that it is a fool's errand to try to place almost ANY modern ideology on such a simplistic spectrum.
Command economies are socialist.
Would you care to debate this? Or do you just want to pretend you didn't mean that?
Economically Nazi's were left wing, socially they would be considered right wing today
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:22 pm to AggieHank86
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And this is the reason that it is a fool's errand to try to place almost ANY modern ideology on such a simplistic spectrum.
Which is only something we ever discuss when associating bad things with the left. Funny how that works.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:23 pm to SammyTiger
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The tent poles of the Nazi party were National pride and power
Is also found in Communist regimes
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Commitment to traditional German lifestyle and fighting against perverse outsiders trying to change it
Is not a bad thing at all and certainly not exclusive to Fascism. Modern Italy and Mexico are two very nationalistic countries, but they aren’t fascist.
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Advocacy of a strong military
You mean like the US under both democrats and republicans?
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Some very right wing views on race and unions
Like Critical Race Theory? Seen a lot of labor unions in Communist China?
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Sound familiar
Yes, like half the countries on the planet
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:27 pm to NC_Tigah
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as one moves across a linear left-right scale, one encounters autocracy on the far left, with a progressive downsizing of government as one migrates rightward.
My whole point is that you don’t have to move left or right to be less authoritarian. That the modern Republican Party is marginally less authoritarian and sees no problem with authoritarian state governments (until they get a den governor who exercises all the same powers they gave their Republican Governor)
Anarcho-capitalism Anarcho-socialists believe in small government in very different ways.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:30 pm to squid_hunt
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The question on abortion is not one of individual rights
I agree, I loathe abortion but it should be decided by local jurisdictions.
People need the type of government that is responsive to them. Our current system is a disaster.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:30 pm to SammyTiger
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That the modern Republican Party is marginally less authoritarian
Than Democrats? What?
Where the frick have you been since March of 2020? Democrats are 100% in on collective rights, and limiting individual freedom. Democrats do not care about individuals, its all about collective identities.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:32 pm to squid_hunt
Yea, so I have used some of y’all’s knowledge on Reddit to ask people some stuff and it’s interesting to see what they say.
I think a large portion of people just believe whatever their party’s leaders are telling them.
I asked isnt facism just as bad as communism and they said in some ways but that’s too broad to be meaningful.
Basically it’s okay to ignore communism being far left, but we must put nazism racist on the republicans.
I think a large portion of people just believe whatever their party’s leaders are telling them.
I asked isnt facism just as bad as communism and they said in some ways but that’s too broad to be meaningful.
Basically it’s okay to ignore communism being far left, but we must put nazism racist on the republicans.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:33 pm to SammyTiger
quote:“The map is not the territory.” Alfred Korzybski.
My whole point is that you don’t have to move left or right to be less authoritarian. That the modern Republican Party is marginally less authoritarian and sees no problem with authoritarian state governments (until they get a den governor who exercises all the same powers they gave their Republican Governor)
Anarcho-capitalism Anarcho-socialists believe in small government in very different ways.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:33 pm to SammyTiger
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That the modern Republican Party is marginally less authoritarian and sees no problem with authoritarian state governments
Give us some examples of Republican authoritarianism by state governors. And not stupid shite like DeSantis removing mask mandates, which is the opposite of authoritarianism.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Nazis didn’t have a 100% command economy though. They did take control of industries so you’re not wrong but there were plenty of private companies thriving in Nazi Germany. Big and small.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:34 pm to DolphinDaddy
so actual nazis can call other people nazis.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:35 pm to DolphinDaddy
FDR would be a lefty still compared to today’s world . He set the tone for these lefties government be the answer
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:35 pm to SammyTiger
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Nazis didn’t have a 100% command economy though
They absolutely did.
They dictated production and set goals. That's socialism, whether the industry is private or public.
Central planning is far left ideology.
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but there were plenty of private companies thriving in Nazi Germany.
nevr mind, you're already so far behind that you'll never catch up.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:37 pm to Nosevens
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FDR would be a lefty still compared to today’s world
The USA economically practiced national socialism during WWII.
Yes, FDR and his henchmen commanded the economy in a similar fashion. He also locked up foreigners, cut immigration...
Sounds familiar?
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:38 pm to DolphinDaddy
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Basically it’s okay to ignore communism being far left, but we must put nazism racist on the republicans.
There is pretty good evidence a lot of the left's policies are deliberately racist. The welfare state was expanded specifically to entrap blacks into voting Dem. Planned Parenthood was created for population control specifically on blacks. Look how openly Dems are attacking Jews. No one says a word.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
You’re the one stuck on a left right only scale.
Anarcho-capitalism and anarcho-socialism are far right and far left and neither believes in governments
Like I said, Nazis we authoritarian in nature, but that alone doesn’t make them left wing.
Anarcho-capitalism and anarcho-socialism are far right and far left and neither believes in governments
Like I said, Nazis we authoritarian in nature, but that alone doesn’t make them left wing.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Government wage wars.
People don’t need as big a budget to kill each other.
People don’t need as big a budget to kill each other.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:41 pm to SammyTiger
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You’re the one stuck on a left right only scale.
No dummy. I've clearly stated that Nazi's showed tendencies across the spectrum.
You're the one fighting the label "national socialism." Not me.
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Anarcho-capitalism and anarcho-socialism
Both are fairy tales. Neither will ever occur. Lets get in the realm of reality.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:45 pm to squid_hunt
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Hitler pushed all the same ideas Dems are pushing today. Are they right wing? No.
Good God, you can’t seriously believe that. Hitler’s core value was exactly the opposite of the core value of the American left. Hitler’s was that his German race was the Master Race and should rule the world. The American left’s is multiculturalism.
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The only issue where Hitler was notably right wing was his position on race and that was not his defining characteristic.
Again, WHAT? Hitler’s position on race was at least 90% of what was Hitler. I’m flabbergasted that you would write that.
I keep coming back to this because it is so incredibly wrong. The left today is pushing a one world globalism. That is opposite of Hitler who was protectionist and autakratic.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 12:57 pm
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