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re: This is probably a dumb question, but why is Neo-Nazism considered right wing?

Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:26 am to
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:26 am to
Those things sound like republicans.

Remember a state government dictating things like abortion, gay marriage, etc… ISNT actually small government.

And the whole constant war thing has been both parties.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 11:27 am
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:26 am to
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That's because Libertarianism is a great philosophy but a shitty form of government.


bullshite, it actually works in practice everyday.

Control yourself reasonably, and don't shite on your fellow man. That's it's government.

If you wanted to kill someone, there is almost no chance of it getting stopped, why don't you? Consequences? Ethics?
Do you think the absence of an over arching state control would stop retribution? It doesn't.
No, you govern yourself, albeit sometimes poorly.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:27 am to
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Remember a state government dictating things like abortion, gay marriage, etc… ISNT actually small government.


Anyone who opposes my leftism is literally a fascist. You are a trope with a login name.
Posted by WWII Collector
Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:29 am to
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Edit: was looking at wrong President, I been out of school for a long time, but I’m genuinely curious on all of this.



Our US education system and you don't even know who was President in WWII?

But we want to teach CRT and Transgender Tolerance instead.

I am going to type a paragraph from a book:

The biggest source of disbelief of the Holocaust is sheer ignorance of many people (Americans in Particular) about history in general , and WWII history in particular. American education in the past 20 years has deemphasized the study of history.

The is result is that many younger "educated" Americans are woefully ignorant about details of American, and world, history. You will find college-educated Americans who only have a vague idea what WWII was. This is particularly true of the electronic media, where the "producers" (those who do the legwork of digging up the material to be broadcast) are usually the product of this deficient education. What they don't know doesn't get broadcast, or gets sent over the air inaccurately.


And that was written 31 years ago... My gosh who our education system may have crumbled since then.

James Dunnigan - Dirty Little Secrets of WWII.


No offense to you sir... as I am not directing this to you, but a generality... There are people that actually believe that Chocolate Milk comes from brown cows... Yet they are allowed to Vote at 18... and have babies that vote.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 11:32 am
Posted by the_truman_shitshow
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:30 am to
Ask Saul Alinsky.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:30 am to
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a state government dictating things like abortion, gay marriage, etc… ISNT actually small government.
As soon as we see an American government forcing unwilling women into abortion and forcing straight folks into same-sex marriages, I will agree with you wholeheartedly.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 11:36 am
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66368 posts
Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:30 am to
Libertarians don’t leave control in state government hands

They leave it in individuals hands.

You can argue a state is better than a federal government, but it still government control.

Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:32 am to
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abortion


Violates the NAP

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gay marriage


You mean..."state sponsored marriage"


You are falling pray to the pitfalls of red vs blue, and I ain't talking about Halo
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:34 am to
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Libertarians don’t leave control in state government hands. They leave it in individuals hands.

No, that's anarchy, which is non-functional in practice. That's like saying you can't be a socialist unless government controls everything.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 11:35 am
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66368 posts
Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:36 am to
Marraige as far as property rights are concerned is pretty important.

In a perfect libertarian word there are very few reason the government would need to recognize a marriage, but a large portion of the population does intestate. The law needs to recognize spouses.


Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:37 am to
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property rights


What is a property right?

Did you know a contract will do the exact same thing, as well as a POA?
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:37 am to
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The law needs to recognize spouses.


Why is there a need?
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66368 posts
Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:38 am to
That’s what libertarians who are actually just conservatives want to tell themselves.

Property rights is the difference between Libertarianism and Anarchism.

Local government is government.

Big and small is about the size of control over Your life not how much territory it controls.

It’s only Slightly better because it’s slightly easier to move to a new state than a new country’s
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 11:41 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:38 am to
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The tent poles of the Nazi party were
The central tenet of Nazism was social control through autocratic rule. China, under Xi migrated smoothly from Communism to Nazistic Fascism, and more recently back toward Communism. That kind of smooth seamless flow would be impossible without extreme upheaval if Fascism and Communism were polar opposites. Of course, they aren't polar opposites.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:39 am to
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In a perfect libertarian word there are very few reason the government would need to recognize a marriage, but a large portion of the population does intestate. The law needs to recognize spouses.
Authoritarians think that government should answer every question. Anarchists think that government should never answer any question. Sane people see a middle ground. Libertarians (by and large) see no problem with the people (acting thru government) setting a "default," so long as the individual may override that default.
Posted by Swazla
Member since Jul 2016
1439 posts
Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:41 am to
Roosevelt was not a conservative.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:41 am to
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abortion ... Violates the NAP
Approximately 1/3 of libertarians agree with you, and about 2/3 disagree.

What makes libertarians unique is that this split does not bother most of us very much.

Libertarians tend to understand that bright people acting in good faith can come to different conclusions on philosophical questions.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 11:45 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259958 posts
Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:42 am to
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That’s what libertarians who are actually just conservatives want to tell themselves.


Who does this?

You're a fairy tale propagator, and nothing more.

I doubt you could define either ideology. If you want libertarians to support any Democrat policy, you people better remember your goddamned roots in liberalism.

Because progressives are as far away from Liberalism as Nazi's and the former USSR.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 11:44 am
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:43 am to
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Local government is government.

Right. And lack of government is anarchy. Literally the goal of communism. So pure libertarianism and pure communism have the same goal, I guess. Except they don't. There is a distinct difference. And in libertarianism, there is the NAP to worry about and who enforces that? Utopianism doesn't get you liberty.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 11:45 am
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
12835 posts
Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:43 am to
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Especially given that Mussolini and Hitler were both leftists


Mussolini was not only a leftist, he was at one time a member of the Italian Socialist Party
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