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re: This is probably a dumb question, but why is Neo-Nazism considered right wing?
Posted on 5/16/22 at 1:43 pm to BamaAtl
Posted on 5/16/22 at 1:43 pm to BamaAtl
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Pretty well-established that's incorrect as you mean to imply.
It quotes Hitler right in the shitty article you linked that he thought the marxists had bastardized socialism, and that he was taking the term back from the marxists.
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:04 pm to squid_hunt
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Pretty eell established at the time that Hitler was a socialist and that was a good thing. He was only not left wing compared to the communists.
No, that’s false. He was right wing compared to EVERY party that considered themselves left of center. You are either poorly informed or a propagandist. No matter how many times you try to paint Hitler as left wing, he will still be a right wing radical.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:06 pm to Penrod
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. He was right wing compared to EVERY party
How do you excuse central planning as right wing?
You don't. You're just wrong.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:06 pm to squid_hunt
quote:Hitler called himself a “socialist,” after redefining the term to exclude most of the basic indices of actual socialism:
Pretty well established at the time that Hitler was a socialist …
quote:George Sylvester Viereck interview (1923)
Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic... We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfillment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one.”
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:08 pm to AggieHank86
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exclude most of the basic bases of actual socialism:
Except his collectivist nature and his desire to control the economy, none of which are right wing or capitalist..
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Yep, he didn't like capitalism or communism, so he settled for his version of socialism.
Hitler was first, and foremost, a racist. His big idea was that the German people were being held down by Jews, who were mostly behind Communism. He was an economics illiterate whose economic theories were all in service of his main mission, which was genocide and conquest to make room economically and in land for the German people to thrive and take their place as the Master Race.
To paint Hitler as left or right based on his economic views is like calling Donald Trump a leftist because he got divorced.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:10 pm to DolphinDaddy
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This is probably a dumb question, but why is Neo-Nazism considered right wing?
Because it’s actually left wing, and progressives ALWAYS project the evil they do as the other side.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:11 pm to Penrod
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To paint Hitler as left or right based on his economic views
Left/right should be solely decided on economics you dummy.
Goddamn you are stupid. "Hitler favored a command economy but he wasn't left wing."
Yes, its that stupid, You desperately need econ class and some basic civics.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:12 pm to tiger11
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Because it’s actually left wing,
Economically 100%.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:17 pm to DolphinDaddy
It identifies more accurately with the democrats and their ideals and policy for sure.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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How do you excuse central planning as right wing? You don't. You're just wrong.
It can be left or right. The mistake you are making is in your apparent belief that laissez faire capitalism is the whole of right wing politics. It is not.
Do you think Franco was not right wing? He had the same sort of economic state control that Hitler espoused. To say that Franco, or Hitler, was not right wing is bizarre. If you time traveled to 2100 and met people who were arguing that Obama was right wing what would you think? That’s what folks from the 1930’s would think if they heard your lame attempts to categorize Hitler as left wing.
The problem with folks like you is you don’t read. If you had any experience reading the authors of that era you wouldn’t have to think twice about whether Hitler and Franco were men of the right. They were. They knew, the left knew it, and everyone else in the world knew it.
Let me ask this. Why do you think so many leftist left the comfort of the United States to go fight Franco (who was supported by Hitler)? Beating Franco, and Hitler, was a worldwide leftist crusade.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:22 pm to Penrod
Roger will explain to you that war profiteers making heaps of personal wealth off of government contracts is actually what socialism is all about.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:22 pm to Penrod
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No matter how many times you try to paint Hitler as left wing, he will still be a right wing radical.
Guy was a socialist pushing collectivism. This leftist ideal that I can't be a racist because I'm a leftist is crap. And you haven't been honest in one post I've ever read of yours so I think I'd hold off calling someone else a propagandist if I were you.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:24 pm to squid_hunt
There hasn’t been a major politician not posting some form of collectivism.
Otherwise you don’t have a government
Otherwise you don’t have a government
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:25 pm to Penrod
quote:He has already explained that anyone who defines "socialism" on any indicia other than economic is a "dummy."
The mistake you are making is in your apparent belief that laissez faire capitalism is the whole of right wing politics.
quote:Is there really any point trying to demonstrate otherwise?
Left/right should be solely decided on economics you dummy.
People like this remind me of the Kevin Kline character (Otto) from "A Fish Called Wanda." They read extensively and memorize large parts of what they read. The distinction between reading and understanding tends to elude them.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:25 pm to Jack Carter
quote:The majority of this board is clearly anti-immigration. The Trump administration itself cut out 90% of immigration except for people who could pay $500k for one of the Kushner condos and that sort of thing.
Most here are not against immigration. You're confusing, like the idiot you are, illegal with legal immigration.
quote:This board absolutely melted when gay marriage was legalized by SCOTUS. It was a multi-week melt of epic proportion.
Most people here aren't anti-gay either. We have family and friends who are gay and we love and support them.
quote:There are some, but definitely in the minority.
Nobody here is againts race-mixing. A good portion of us are not only bi-racial but our significant others are not white.
quote:No. You have blinders on if you don't recognize that there is a solid far right wing of this board.
Like the idiot you are, you are confusing the "gay/trans" agenda with simply being gay
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:27 pm to SammyTiger
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There hasn’t been a major politician not posting some form of collectivism.
Otherwise you don’t have a government
Right. I get your convenient little "we're all socialists now" ruse. But just like your autism, politics is on a spectrum.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:28 pm to Penrod
quote:Well, Franco's ideology was essentially identical to Hitler's, but he called his movement "Nationalism" rather than "National Socialism," so they are totally different.
Why do you think so many leftist left the comfort of the United States to go fight Franco (who was supported by Hitler)? Beating Franco, and Hitler, was a worldwide leftist crusade.
In other breaking news, the Democratic Republic of the Congo has been determined to be neither "democratic" nor a "republic." More at 11:00.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Left/right should be solely decided on economics you dummy.
How do you feel about a party that believe in no property rights and no government?
Are they left because economically there is no private ownership or are they right because they believe in no government control?
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:37 pm to mmcgrath
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The majority of this board is clearly anti-immigration.
How autistic are you?
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