re: This Arizona Police Officer thing is blowing up

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He was fired. He will never be able to have public trust as a law enforcement officer ever again. He used flawed judgment as humans do but he wasn't found criminally liable of the crime he was charged with because the prosecution failed to prove he acted contrary to training.

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Yeah that's not true. He will most likely get picked up by another agency because he broke no laws or regulations.

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Where is evidence that either the cop or his department have come to such a conclusion? It is my understanding they have done just the opposite. My understanding is they claim they'd do the exact same thing again.

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He claims he would handle it exactly the same and the not guilty was that he followed his training.

For the sake of the community in AZ I sure do hope that they have addressed procedure and trained new guidelines

A society that allows a cop to murder a man who had surrendered, did not have a weapon on him and was sobbing, all the while there were multiple officers present who could have just put the suspect in handcuffs, is proof that we as a society hate both freedom and human life.

A society that valued freedom wouldn't give into the authoritarian impulse that a badge somehow places you above the law. A society that valued human life would allow it to be taken so brazenly by a psychopath who probably joined the police specifically because he could kill and hurt people.

This verdict, more than any other, makes me have zero faith in my fellow citizens and my country.

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Yeah that's not true. He will most likely get picked up by another agency because he broke no laws or regulations

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If you want to "put your money where your mouth is", I'll take you up on that bet.

How much time do you want to give him before he's picked up by another agency, and what do you want to put on the line for it in a friendly wager?

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Try doing that job for one day. You COULD NOT HANDLE IT!

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They’re not that fricking special

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Where is evidence that either the cop or his department have come to such a conclusion? It is my understanding they have done just the opposite. My understanding is they claim they'd do the exact same thing again.

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Of course. Neither is bound to make such a determination just yet. The ex-cop is now off the hook. His defense - agency training, has now been upheld in a court of law. The ex-cop has no deep pockets worth suing.

It is my position that the agency will eventually reach a civil settlement with the family. Civil lawyers have got to be relentlessly reaching out to the family over this. It'll be the family's version of Shark Tank, where they'll have to decide which attorney is in their best interest to work with.

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Meaning ANY innocent human who cannot physically comply with crawling, can (will) be legally executed on the spot.

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Sorry, but that is simply not a rational conclusion. The unsuccessful criminal prosecution that we are talking about was limited to only the circumstances that took place in this one event. So let's not get carried away with describing this as if it's some kind of Supreme Court case that will cause all law enforcement agencies to change their policy to do what you described.

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Cops get fired and hired by another jurisdiction all the time. Their unions make sure that the original employer only confirms date and title.

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Exhibit A: Tamir Rice's killer.

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typical response from the garden variety TD "conservative" "christian

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FTR, the majority of people being hard on the cops in this thread would describe themselves as conservative and probably Christian as well.

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A society that allows a cop to murder a man who had surrendered, did not have a weapon on him and was sobbing, all the while there were multiple officers present who could have just put the suspect in handcuffs, is proof that we as a society hate both freedom and human life.

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It's years of brain-washing from TV and the news that somehow a cops life is way more valuable than any other.

They are allowed to protect their lives (even unreasonably) at all costs over any other citizen.

Cops get killed and they get a giant parade.

Where is Daniel Shaver's parade?

And there have been numerous stories of where a guy kills a cop and the cops find him and execute him or beat the hell out of him without due process of law.



Arraignment after being accused of killing a cop. The cops had to cover his face he was so beat up.

I think Jerry Spence basically called them a "legalized gang."

As disgusted as I felt watching that, although iffy, from the cop's POV protecting his own life and not mine sitting on my arse in my living room, it's still within the realm of justified considering dealing with obviously emotional and reportedly intoxicated and armed person.

Sucks but that's reality.