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re: They’re are some interesting “students” at this High School in Broward FLA
Posted on 2/20/18 at 3:50 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
Posted on 2/20/18 at 3:50 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
No one’s denying this happened. They’re questioning how and why it wasn’t so obviously stopped while simultaneously having people in the perfect place to capitalize on it...
...all immediately following the “memo” release as well.
...all immediately following the “memo” release as well.
This post was edited on 2/20/18 at 3:55 pm
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 3:50 pm to Salmon
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I'm confused then. You're disputing the FBI could be involved in shenanigans, but acknowledge past shenanigans and say they may not have changed..
All I said is that I require real evidence.
Not speculation.
COINTELPRO
It's wiki, but there's a shitload of other links
Posted on 2/20/18 at 3:50 pm to Salmon
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if you ignore all context, maybe
Or if you just read the flow of the conversation and the quote that you were responding to.
This post was edited on 2/20/18 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 2/20/18 at 3:53 pm to CptBengal
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But the FBI has a history of manufacturing events.
They have a history of targeting impressionable people, giving them weapons, and stopping them right before attacks happen. Why the left continues to defend the FBI as though it is some pious organization is weird as hell. But in this case, wasn't the FBI portrayed as incompetent because they didn't act on a tip just a month ago? They don't come off looking like they would have wanted to, at least not like they did (as in the heroic agency) in other cases where they had overt involvement.
This post was edited on 2/20/18 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 2/20/18 at 3:54 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Fine. I guess I need to be more clear.
Find evidence that this event was staged or allowed to happen, and then come back to me.
Until then, stop trying to convince me that kids on field trips is proof of something nefarious.
Find evidence that this event was staged or allowed to happen, and then come back to me.
Until then, stop trying to convince me that kids on field trips is proof of something nefarious.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 3:56 pm to crazy4lsu
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hey have a history of targeting impressionable people, giving them weapons, and stopping them right before attacks happen.
or maybe sometimes they dont....
Posted on 2/20/18 at 3:56 pm to Salmon
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Find evidence that this event was staged or allowed to happen, and then come back to me.
how many warnings did they need?
seriously.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 4:00 pm to Salmon
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Find evidence that this event was staged or allowed to happen, and then come back to me.
Until then, stop trying to convince me that kids on field trips is proof of something nefarious.
The evidence is the level of incompetence by the Feds and Sherriff’s office leading up to this -
1. 39 house calls are on record. Period.
2. Cruz openly stated what he was going to do online under his real name on a tracked website. The FBI couldn’t locate him
3. Cruz was “able to buy” his gun despite a record of interactions with the law a mile long, being expelled from school, and being in mental institutions. Someone cleared that or ignored it.
The level of incompetence rises to circumstantial evidence of nefariousness.
This post was edited on 2/20/18 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 2/20/18 at 4:01 pm to Salmon
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Find evidence that this event was staged or allowed to happen, and then come back to me.
How many more times do authorities need to be made aware of a potential issue without them taking some sort of action is needed for it to become "allowed to happen"?
I mean, if a boss was told 39 times that an employee was threatening to do something illegal and took no action, would we say the boss allowed it to happen? (illegal action against a client or something)
This post was edited on 2/20/18 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 2/20/18 at 4:03 pm to theunknownknight
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3. Cruz was “able to buy” his gun despite a record of interactions with the law a mile long, being expelled from school, and being in mental institutions. Someone cleared that or ignored it.
this is what I want to know...
Posted on 2/20/18 at 4:03 pm to CptBengal
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or maybe sometimes they dont....
Maybe, or sometimes they give them materials and access they wouldn't otherwise have. What I'm saying is that, given the FBI's track record on these things, which is fairly extensive since 9/11, why they would come off as looking as incompetent as they probably are, is evidence against direct FBI involvement.
This article is somewhat damning. LINK
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Of 126 Islamic State-related cases prosecuted by federal authorities across the country since 2014, nearly two-thirds involved undercover agents or informants, according to the Center on National Security at the Fordham University School of Law in New York. The FBI has stepped up its use of sting operations, which were once seen as a tactic of last resort.
I can totally believe that the FBI gave the shooter means, inspiration, motive, and even weapons, but the fact that the FBI admitted they essentially screwed up goes against their recent modus operandi, which is to set up stings and then claim credit, as the War on Terror has made the organization insatiable in its desire for funding and power.
I think we can all agree that the FBI isn't a pious organization, and I would not put it past them that they would allow such an event like Parkland to happen. All the ingredients are there for a sting save for the FBI taking blame, which is weird unto itself.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 4:07 pm to theunknownknight
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3. Cruz was “able to buy” his gun despite a record of interactions with the law a mile long, being expelled from school, and being in mental institutions. Someone cleared that or ignored it.
Maybe it is because he was a minor at the time of those incidences, and had essentially a clean record, despite the calls, as he was not ever charged with a crime to my knowledge.
Here is what prohibits you from buying a firearm in Florida:
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Felony conviction
Active warrant (felony or misdemeanor)
Unlawful user or addicted to any controlled substance Adjudicated mentally defective or involuntarily committed by a judge
Illegal alien status
Dishonorable discharge from US Armed Forces
Renounced United States citizenship
Active protection order (injunction for protection, restraining order, etc.)
Convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence Under indictment or information for a crime punishable by a term exceeding one year in prison.
Adjudicated delinquent or received adjudication withheld as a juvenile for a felony charge and person is under the age of 24
Adjudication withheld for any felony or a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence and three years has not yet lapsed since the completion of sentencing provisions
If he wasn't actually charged, and wasn't put into an actual institution, then wouldn't he have passed the background check?
Posted on 2/20/18 at 4:09 pm to crazy4lsu
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I think we can all agree that the FBI isn't a pious organization, and I would not put it past them that they would allow such an event like Parkland to happen. All the ingredients are there for a sting save for the FBI taking blame, which is weird unto itself.
Wasnt there an active shooter drill with the FBI at that school too?
Posted on 2/20/18 at 4:09 pm to crazy4lsu
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Maybe it is because he was a minor at the time of those incidences, and had essentially a clean record, despite the calls, as he was not ever charged with a crime to my knowledge.
It seemed like on almost all of the calls no report was ever taken, it was just him getting out of control and the parent calling the cops. Parents call the cops all the time for kids getting out of control and them having no idea how to handle them.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 4:10 pm to Dizz
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Parents call the cops all the time for kids getting out of control and them having no idea how to handle them.
39 times...the kid was in a freaking mental ward.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 4:12 pm to GumboPot
This is how Trump got elected ..... playing to irrational fears and paranoia.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 4:13 pm to NorthTiger
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This is how Trump got elected ..... playing to irrational fears and paranoia.
No it’s not
Posted on 2/20/18 at 4:14 pm to Salmon
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I'm aware. Although I'm curious as to why none of these showed up on his background check.
Do you see the slippery slope that would set up?
Posted on 2/20/18 at 4:14 pm to CptBengal
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39 times...the kid was in a freaking mental ward.
No doubt but being crazy isn't a crime. Funny thing is that as incompetent as NOPD can be they would have brought him to Children's for a psych eval most of the times.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 4:15 pm to Dizz
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No doubt but being crazy isn't a crime.
making online threats and naming individual targets...IS
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