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re: The wall issue is about one thing and one thing only
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:17 am to berrycajun
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:17 am to berrycajun
quote:So bad policy is the problem. How is building a wall going to fix that?
And what do we have to lose by building it? 5 billion? “Crumbs” compared to the 116 billion a year American taxpayers spends on funding illegal immigrants.
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:18 am to TX Tiger
Uniparty man. Remember when Obama was going to change Washington but was an establishment plant the whole time? Well most of the establishment Repubs are part of that same monster. It’s amazing how people don’t get this.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:18 am to i am dan
I stand corrected in regards to voting trends.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:24 am to HottyToddy7
quote:What's amazing to me is how people berate policy when the "other team" is doing it, but then turn around and embrace it when "their team" does it.
Uniparty man. Remember when Obama was going to change Washington but was an establishment plant the whole time? Well most of the establishment Repubs are part of that same monster. It’s amazing how people don’t get this.
This is why the establishment keeps winning, and why nothing ever changes.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:25 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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they snow Jon
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:26 am to HottyToddy7
In all fairness you're correct that opposition to the wall is an establishment position on both sides of the aisle. The elites in the eGOP like their illegal immigration just as much as all Dems do just for different reasons (dirt cheap labor). Don't confuse criticism of the Dems with a lack of understanding that the eGOP also shares some blame for the problem of illegal immigration.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:36 am to i am dan
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Why are you so outraged over spending money such a small amount of money on the wall, when facts do in fact show it'll be effective.
What is it really about, Charles?
We've seen threads indicating the facts. You're on the losing side.
The guys working the border have repeatedly said that walls and physical barriers work. I'll take the opinion of the people who are tasked to keep our border secure, over a politician sitting in Washington.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:37 am to TX Tiger
quote:
So bad policy is the problem. How is building a wall going to fix that?
The same way a southern wall to stop illegal immigration on Israel's southern border dramatically and almost COMPLETELY stopped illegal border crossings in that country.
The cost of illegal immigration isn't as simple as bad policy if you're suggesting we just start enforcing existing laws about having to be a documented U.S. citizen to receive welfare benefits. A border wall as well as enhanced border security along with e-verify making it a felony to knowingly employ illegal immigrants. All this along with a border wall makes total sense if we're serious about having an actual border and actual national sovereignty. It doesn't to those who pretend to want "border security" and argue that 5.7 billion dollars is a waste of money when these same people don't bat an eye on wasting tens of billions of dollars on other things.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:47 am to Govt Tide
quote:Wrong.
In all fairness you're correct that opposition to the wall is an establishment position on both sides of the aisle.
The wall is establishment propaganda and Trump is the ringleader, just like he was with muh Russians, and muh caravan, and on and on.
The wall is the establishment's way of kicking the can down the road in regards to illegal immigrant. There won't be a wall and Trump has known that since he campaigned on it.
Two things:
1) If Trump wanted a wall, there would already be one. He has the authority to declare it through national security. But he hasn't done that, and he won't do that.
2) The problem with illegal immigration, as pointed out in this thread, is the 100s of billions of dollars each year given to these law breakers. Stop that and you significantly curb illegal immigration. Trump isn't doing that. He isn't the badass you folks would like to make him out to be.
No, his solution to wasteful spending is to throw more money at it. It's funny how you folks sky scream "LIBERAL FILTH" when the "other team" does this, but when your God Emperor does it, it makes America great again.
Oh well, at least I can always come here to be entertained while my country slips into Third World status.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:47 am to CharlesLSU
quote:This is a half step above a purely emotional rebuttal. If you have facts, show them or say them. Don't say they're out there, somewhere, and except anyone to think you're credible.
That wall is horseshite. Go investigate the fricking facts. The wall is nothing but a bullshite ploy.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:57 am to Logician
See Kavanaugh. That’s all you have to acknowledge and you’ll know what this is all about.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:00 am to Govt Tide
quote:No, it makes no sense at all. You still haven't removed the incentive to come here illegally. That's what your God Emperor is shying away from.
A border wall as well as enhanced border security along with e-verify making it a felony to knowingly employ illegal immigrants. All this along with a border wall makes total sense if we're serious about having an actual border and actual national sovereignty.
There can only be two reasons why he would do that.
1) He is weak, and has no intentions of rocking the establishment boat.
2) He is establishment and therefore has no intentions of stopping it.
quote:Sounds like you aren't really concerned about border security, but rather beating the "other team." That's another establishment trap many Americans fall for time and time again.
All this along with a border wall makes total sense if we're serious about having an actual border and actual national sovereignty. It doesn't to those who pretend to want "border security" and argue that 5.7 billion dollars is a waste of money when these same people don't bat an eye on wasting tens of billions of dollars on other things.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:04 am to 9th life
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i see your below post. because they are brown. got it.
Just wanted to point out this underrated post.
This dude's made up, anecdotal point gets demolished within 5 minutes of him posting it. So what's his response? A smartass "racsim" angle. It's absolutely pathetic.
All those numbers and graphs that destroy my worldview? Oh that's racism lol. What a simple mind. By the end of the day, he'll be posting about idiot trumpsters though.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:16 am to TX Tiger
quote:
So you aggressively agree?
Our POTUS is trying to do something about it.
Who's screwing that effort?
Politicians.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:19 am to CharlesLSU
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But it’s DT securing his with a promise he made.
So, the 2016 Trump voter will think this:
"I voted for closing the border. Trump failed. He tried but the Dems stopped him. I'm mad that Trump didn't build the wall that I'm voting a Dem in 2020 so they can open the border completely."
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:20 am to TX Tiger
Not sure why you're ripping on me for simply pointing out the obvious. I didn't vote for Trump (or Hillary) but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is serious about wanting to build a wall...
Your contention that a wall would already be built if Trump truly wanted one overlooks the obvious fact that he can't do it by himself...He's trying his best to get it done through the legislative process but hasn't had a large enough majority in the Senate to get it passed.
As for getting it done thru a national security threat declaration...that's an absolute last resort that I think is still on the table if necessary
Your contention that a wall would already be built if Trump truly wanted one overlooks the obvious fact that he can't do it by himself...He's trying his best to get it done through the legislative process but hasn't had a large enough majority in the Senate to get it passed.
As for getting it done thru a national security threat declaration...that's an absolute last resort that I think is still on the table if necessary
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:21 am to CharlesLSU
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Go investigate the fricking facts.
Link to fricking facts?
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:23 am to i am dan
quote:You mean like the way he ended the war and brought our troops home doing something about it?
Our POTUS is trying to do something about it.
Or the way he drained the swamp by bringing in Bolton, Giuliani and Jerome Powell to run the Federal Reserve?
Or the way he extended government surveillance on us?
Or the way he's carried out the establishment agenda in the Middle East?
Or the way he opened our pocket book to the MIC?
I don't know about you, but I would prefer that he STOP DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:29 am to Govt Tide
quote:We're being invaded by terrorists, haven't you kept up with the propaganda? What would make it more necessary than that?
As for getting it done thru a national security threat declaration...that's an absolute last resort that I think is still on the table if necessary
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:30 am to TX Tiger
frick dude sheople!
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