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AlterEgo89
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re: The vaccine is working!
Vaccinations are working in other countries.

The UK is averaging 100-150 deaths a day and far fewer hospitalizations compared with the peak of the pandemic with a similar number of cases. Even scaling for population, it's less than half the number of deaths per day the USA is facing.

The US is averaging 1800 deaths a day and so many more hospitalizations.

The only difference is the UK has a much higher rate of vaccine uptake among adults including those who are vulnerable. Clearly, vaccination is working for the UK.

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the808bass
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Last September, people were largely quarantined and there was no Delta. Now, it's the opposite.


People weren’t quarantined last September. That’s ridiculous. What state are you talking about?


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bamarep
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re: The vaccine is working!
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1. Delta is much more contagious than 1.0



Please link me the test that proves this is a Delta variant.


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deathvalleytiger10
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If this story is true, there are unvaccinated people who bear responsibility for his non-Covid death.


Once again SlowFLowPro, you read a headline and not the article itself.

The very first paragraph says he died in the ICU. He was not denied medical treatment. He was inconvenienced by having to go to a hospital out of his way.

Not one unvaccinated person was responsible for his death. Not one.

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the808bass
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it's less than half the number of deaths per day the USA is facing.


So that 10% difference in vaccinations accounts for double the deaths. Interesting.


td01241
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re: The vaccine is working!
You and your ilk can ramble on all you want and word salad your way through this shite like you love to do. I’m even willing to partake in legitimate discourse about vaccination there just rarely ever is any. This is because the simple hard fact that cannot ever be changed is a vaccine that doesn’t stop the transmission of a disease nor does it, that I would say has reliably been proven, make any significant impact on your ability to do so should be heralded as mans greatest work and have conquered it if we’d all just fall in line.
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AlterEgo89
Member since Sep 2021
135 posts

re: The vaccine is working!
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So that 10% difference in vaccinations accounts for double the deaths. Interesting.



No, I'm saying that clearly vaccinations ARE working.

Pointing out that they might not seem to be working in the US doesn't mean vaccination doesn't work because there are other factors causing the high deaths. That's exactly my point - you've encapsulated it in your entire comment.

And 10% difference in vaccination is a bit misleading. There are certain geographic regions in the US with much lower rates of vaccination than a 10% differential. That's the whole point - it's not a uniform 10% difference.

It's not a 10% difference because certain US states have much lower vaccination rates than the US average. Isn't that the whole point? The fact that it's not just a 10% difference but much more depending on where you're located.


AlterEgo89
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his is because the simple hard fact that cannot ever be changed is a vaccine that doesn’t stop the transmission of a disease nor does it, that I would say has reliably been proven, make any significant impact on your ability to do so should be heralded as mans greatest work and have conquered it if we’d all just fall in line.



What?

How is this legitimate discourse?

Not all vaccines stop transmission, many do not work that way.

There are plenty of vaccines that don't reduce transmission. For example, vaccines against Bordetella pertussis, which causes whooping cough, or pertussis, prevents hospitalizations/symptoms but does not reduce transmission.


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td01241
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re: The vaccine is working!
Are they working though? I fail to see how there’s anywhere near enough evidence to be used as a valid conclusion one way or another. Further, there’s absolutely not a definite answer nor will there be for a long time on if the cure is worse than the disease. I am a doctor. A psychiatrist so many of you probably don’t really account me as so, but one the same, and I don’t claim to be anywhere near an expert on this field of medicine. I do however know that simple empirical science requires certain things that cannot ever be cut out or man made to be needless and one of those is things is time. Nothing about this whole mess has ever since step one been treated properly from a medicinal perspective and we keep going down the rabbit hole further. It was immediately colored to be political and as such spawned a whole new way of practicing health care, establishing norms that have been works on over centuries we still rely upon today, and the necessity of trial based empirical science when determining medical efficacy
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NC_Tigah
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The only difference is the UK has a much higher rate of vaccine uptake among adults including those who are vulnerable. Clearly, vaccination is working for the UK.
66% UK vs 54% US.
Would that difference account for double the death rate?

Meanwhile, Israel with a 62% vax rate pretty much mirrors our recent surge and CFR.

It's possible some of this comes down to reporting variances. There may be contributory therapeutic differences. But I'd be surprised (especially given AZ vax included in the UK mix) if a simple 12% vaccination differential was the whole story.


NC_Tigah
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I am a doctor. A psychiatrist so many of you probably don’t really...
Au contraire.
Some of the posters in these vax threads could REALLY use your help.
Classic DSM-5 297.1 types


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LosTigres251
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re: The vaccine is working!
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That was awesome!! Perhaps there is something in the vaccine that triggers more cases?


Stay tuned. Wait until 2024, and you will see what the "vaccinated" have done to themselves for following along a corrupt bunch of 1%ers..

Nothing the globalist say is true or not misleading and here they are saying its for "YOUR" own good to get this shot...... Major emphasis for you not us....and sheep still line up...

Mind blowing how easily Americans have rolled over and the rolling hasnt even really began.

‘They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.’
Ben Franklin



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geaux88
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re: The vaccine is working!
Nice. But we need to quit caving to the filthy whoring leftist scum by calling it "Covid." Let's call it by its PROPER name, the Wuhan China Virus, or the CCP Virus.


smh4wg
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Fauci flu.


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AlterEgo89
Member since Sep 2021
135 posts

re: The vaccine is working!
I mean the problem with quoting the overall US vaccination rate is that the US is much more geographically dispersed than the UK.

There are certain regions where the differential is much higher than 12%. And among adults, the UK has given at least 1 dose to 90% of adults while the US has given at least one dose to around 70% of US adults. That's a 20% difference among the adult population in general and when you compare the UK to certain US regions, the disparity becomes much worse. There are certain states where only half the population between 18-55 has been vaccinated for example.

However, the disparity is much worse if you compare the UK to certain states. That I suspect is the cause of this - Florida and Texas for example have lower vaccination rates and very high numbers of deaths at the moment.
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