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re: The USS Harry S. Truman aircraft carrier strike group heading for the Mediterranean
Posted on 1/23/22 at 12:46 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Posted on 1/23/22 at 12:46 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
I can promise you, the Russians do not ever laugh at a U S Naval Aircraft Carrier!!
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Posted on 1/23/22 at 12:46 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
But how diverse and inclusive is this strike group??
Posted on 1/23/22 at 12:47 pm to BobBoucher
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That could be considered an act of war by Belarus. A few of those Tomahawks could resolve the situation.
There aren’t enough tomahawks in the CSG to sufficiently take offline S400. Add in multiple submarines and you’re maybe only talking about a 50% mission kill.
Doing so you’d see Backfires coming over the horizon with LRASM to kill/mission kill our destroyers/cruisers and take shots at our carriers, and by then we’re talking COCKED PISTOL levels of shitting our pants here.
The US does not have local superiority to attempt any of these types of strikes, especially with Germany not being cooperative.
This post was edited on 1/23/22 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 1/23/22 at 12:54 pm to lsufan1971
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That’s almost 400 tomahawks. One CSG can frick up a lot of shite.
And we're certain they're full stocked and loaded? Seems absurd to go into such a theatre short changed, but we're talking about a potato, the former VP Biden, acting as CiC.
This post was edited on 1/23/22 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 1/23/22 at 12:56 pm to rmnldr
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There aren’t enough tomahawks in the CSG to sufficiently take offline S400.
This surprises me. They consist of like 6 vehicles right? I’d think you only need to take out 1-2 of them.
Either way, the only justification to take out an S400 in Belarus is if they fired on NATO or Ukraine aircraft over Ukraine airspace. That’s a purely defensive measure.
As for backfires, firing on a CSG in retaliation would be a serious escalation by Putin. Its not like they are in Russia. I have a hard time believing he’d go that far.
This post was edited on 1/23/22 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 1/23/22 at 1:12 pm to fjlee90
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Are we just going to gloss over the fact that active military assets have Facebook pages now?
Yes, I have a problem with this, too. Seems to violate so many established OPSEC procedures.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 1:13 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Time to stock up on essentials for real.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 1:15 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:This guy gets it. It isn't just the "other" side that spins into propaganda.
Sounds sus to me, the way it was written in the other article up top.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 1:17 pm to BobBoucher
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This surprises me. They consist of like 6 vehicles right? I’d think you only need to take out 1-2 of them.
One battalion at minimum probably has 14-20 vehicles (fire control, radar, TELs, transporters, etc), all dispersed and concealed with their own ability to shoot down cruise missiles and they’ll have early warning from airborne assets. Not as easy target for tomahawks. That’s considering that their fire control and radar mast vehicles (the main targets) haven’t already packed up and are on the move. Tomahawks are great for hitting static targets and they usually require 10-20 missiles to ensure destruction. A saturation strike of 100 or so would be required to take out an S-400 battalion considering they will be dug in and multiple will be shot down along the way.
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Either way, the only justification to take out an S400 in Belarus is if they fired on NATO or Ukraine aircraft over Ukraine airspace. That’s a purely defensive measure.
They may. The S-400 will be used to deny the high and medium flight levels for Ukraine. Their Air Force has been decimated already by Russian SAMs going back to 2014 and it effectively grounded them.
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As for backfires, firing on a CSG in retaliation would be a serious escalation by Putin. Its not like they are in Russia. I have a hard time believing he’d go that far.
It would, but so would taking out their SAM network in the area. They saw what happened in ‘91. If we go to take out S-400 then their entire army is at risk from the air and won’t have much of a chance.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 1:18 pm to BFIV
quote:Best of luck to her and her shipmates. I've never been in the service but even I know that's tough work even on a nice big permanent ground base. It's got to be damn tough on a ship.
She's part of an air wing.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 1:30 pm to rmnldr
quote:I've got no particular expertise, but I've got to believe Germany will suck it up if it gets to the point of being necessary. They know better than we do what the stakes can be.
especially with Germany not being cooperative.
I may be too optimistic, but I hope competent people (not politicians) are working out contingency plans to get energy to Germany, and if the Russian pipelines come in play it won't be Germany that blinks.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 1:31 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
How many of the crew are the new bred trannies?
Posted on 1/23/22 at 1:32 pm to BFIV
quote:If they're careful enough it seems like a good idea, maybe even offensively if it comes to that. I do wonder if they're careful enough.
Are we just going to gloss over the fact that active military assets have Facebook pages now?
Yes, I have a problem with this, too. Seems to violate so many established OPSEC procedures.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 1:35 pm to Big4SALTbro
quote:Why are you trying to distract? Adults are talking.
How many of the crew are the new bred trannies?
Posted on 1/23/22 at 1:40 pm to tokenBoiler
I think Germany is the ace up the sleeve for Russia. If the Germans had an alternative option we would have seen it come into play already. The damage Merkel has done to that country and Europe as a whole will be felt for the next century.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 1:48 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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Just one stinking carrier strike group? The Russians will laugh at that.
Here is someone that has zero understanding of the strength of a carrier battle group.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 1:54 pm to tokenBoiler
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I may be too optimistic, but I hope competent people (not politicians) are working out contingency plans to get energy to Germany, and if the Russian pipelines come in play it won't be Germany that blinks.
There will be a green energy reckoning. Our US leftists and a chunk of Europeans believe in this Green stuff. And in that I'm considering the German desire to rid themselves of nuclear power. It sounds good as virtue signaling but now they depend on Russia for energy. The feel good policies in Europe don't factor in a hostile Russia.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 1:59 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
To take pictures.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 2:01 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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It sounds good as virtue signaling but now they depend on Russia for energy. The feel good policies in Europe don't factor in a hostile Russia.
Yes, this. I also believe that Russia still hates Germany because of the atrocities Germany committed in Russia during WW II. I can't see this hate diminishing for generations, if ever. Anything Russia can do to hamstring Germany, they will do with glee. Yes, Germany put themselves in this position. The Russian bear is pragmatic, if nothing else. Just my opinion.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 2:04 pm to AgsNguyening
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So we have a morally and ethically inept President suffering from dementia who is about to get into a shooting war with Russia.
I don't think he wants to get in a shooting war. But Russia is hell bent on getting into a shooting war with Ukraine and who knows how far they can take that. The United States needs to be in a position to respond in the most "responsible" manner. I can see scenarios where we would get into a war. That is to ignore Russia until we can ignore no longer. That's why we have this big-assed multi-branch military. When you can no longer deter you have to fight or fold.
I do question what is the cost Russia is willing to endure? How many of their lads are they willing to sacrifice? Russia must perceive an existential threat in Ukraine or with Ukraine as the first step. I just don't think they want democracies on their direct border. Yeah, I know Ukraine is a piss poor example of a democracy. But Poland is not.
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