re: The US govt has lost the right to forcibly tax us.

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Christians are still under obligation by God to pay taxes to governments that require them. Mismanagement and even immoral uses of tax dollars don’t get us off the hook.

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I see the “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s” angle you’re playing but you are missing something incredibly important:

1) in our country, WE are supposed to be Caesar. Our politicians aren’t Kings. They are subject to US!

2) It is our responsibility to put people in office that are fiscally responsible with the money the American people are lending them. It is then their responsibility to make laws to the purpose of prospering the CITIZENS they represent.

3) If #2 ain’t happening due to a corrupt and/or misrepresented people or their representative, then our justice system has the obligation to bring the AMERICAN PEOPLE justice. If that fails, then WE have an obligation to fix the system, and forcibly bring it back in line with our constitution. This can happen 3 ways:
1- exert our right to peacefully protest,
2- impeach or vote out the corrupted individuals,
3- as a last resort, exert our 2nd amendment rights (which is what they are there for) and protect ourselves, our liberty, and our freedom from the tyranny imposed upon us.

The Bible talks about the responsibilities of national leadership and its people. Our govt was built with the people to have the power- not be subjects or slaves to a king. When forced taxation takes away and subverts the will of the people in our govt, then it has lost the right to force that taxation on the people it is supposed to represent.

You may not know this, but we had a little party in the Boston harbor - which had a big part in starting a little war one time with a tyrannical England - over taxation without representation…. Yeah, it’s kind of a big deal….

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The Bible teaches to follow God above man. There is no loophole

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That is true, but only when it comes to commanding Christians to sin. It isn’t a sin to pay taxes, even if those taxes will used for sinful purposes.

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When the States ratified the 16th Ammendment

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Well there you go, so should we lose the right to bear arms because people misuse guns? So the OP is clearly stating that we can eliminate an amendment because it isn’t used correctly? Speech. Arms. Press. Etc.

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But now that we have irrefutable proof of the not only poor stewardship of OUR money, but the outright, all out, treasonous FRAUD and embezzlement taking place by the democrat politicians - they’ve lost ANY excuse to take my money. At least until these wrongs are righted.

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[quote]I see the “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s” angle you’re playing but you are missing something incredibly important:

1) in our country, WE are supposed to be Caesar. Our politicians aren’t Kings. They are subject to US!

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True, but we still have laws that must be obeyed. We can’t pull the “I’m your boss” card to law enforcement when we get pulled over for speeding.

We have mechanisms for changing laws that we disagree with, including tax laws. But while those laws are in force, Christians are obligated to obey.

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2) It is our responsibility to put people in office that are fiscally responsible with the money the American people are lending them. It is then their responsibility to make laws to the purpose of prospering the CITIZENS they represent.

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I agree and would even go a step further in saying that Christians have a duty to only vote for godly leaders.

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3) If #2 ain’t happening due to a corrupt and/or misrepresented people or their representative, then our justice system has the obligation to bring the AMERICAN PEOPLE justice. If that fails, then WE have an obligation to fix the system, and forcibly bring it back in line with our constitution. This can happen 3 ways:
1- exert our right to peacefully protest,
2- impeach or vote out the corrupted individuals,
3- as a last resort, exert our 2nd amendment rights (which is what they are there for) and protect ourselves, our liberty, and our freedom from the tyranny imposed upon us.

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I believe that Just War Theory can allow for Christians to lawfully rebel against unlawful governments, but through the lesser magistrates defying greater magistrates, not through individual acts of defiance against laws citizens don’t like. Not paying taxes because you personally believe them to be oppressive is not what Jesus had in mind when He said to pay taxes, though. I’ve heard many people say that all taxation is theft, but the Bible doesn’t take that view.

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The Bible talks about the responsibilities of national leadership and its people. Our govt was built with the people to have the power- not be subjects or slaves to a king. When forced taxation takes away and subverts the will of the people in our govt, then it has lost the right to force that taxation on the people it is supposed to represent.

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Our government doesn’t lose its authority to tax us in God’s eyes just because we personally have a problem with an arbitrary rate being too high for our comfort. We have lawful mechanisms to have tax laws changed, but until changes occur, the Bible does not present Christians with the option to simply stop paying taxes.

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You may not know this, but we had a little party in the Boston harbor - which had a big part in starting a little war one time with a tyrannical England - over taxation without representation…. Yeah, it’s kind of a big deal….

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I’m speaking of the Christian duty to God, not the desire to do what is politically expedient based on arbitrary preferences. I would say that individual acts of rebellion—including the Boston Tea Party—are acts of defiance against God, and are not for Christians to participate in.

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Was Rome a Constitution Republic?

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Our Constitutional Republic doesn’t grant citizens the right to arbitrarily stop abiding by laws put in place by our representatives.

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Our Constitutional Republic doesn’t grant citizens the right to arbitrarily stop abiding by laws put in place by our representatives.

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How does government justify confiscation of your money for fraudulent use thereof?

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The US govt has lost the right to forcibly tax us.

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Taxation is a power, not a right. If they have lost that power, has anyone told them? I mean, I am all for no taxation. I just wanna make sure they know.

You may believe this....and you may be right. But this is the ultimate fool around and find out situation. If you think Trump's IRS would not prosecute you, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I am looking to unload on the cheap.