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re: The unwavering support of Ukraine
Posted on 9/21/23 at 1:02 pm to RoosterCogburn585
Posted on 9/21/23 at 1:02 pm to RoosterCogburn585
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Call me crazy, but if a country can't afford its own defense, maybe it shouldn't be a country to begin with.
Ok crazy.
This is one of the dumbest things I have ever seen on a board that hosts savvy participants.
If every nation that couldn’t provide for their own defense gave up their right then we wouldn’t have very many nations.
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 2:09 pm
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 1:22 pm to wackatimesthree
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You mean besides the fact that he invaded Ukraine without any provocation?
We can go into the political intrigues of the past 10 years in that unfortunate nation, but Russia told us exactly what they were going to do if we tried to bring Ukraine into the NATO orbit and when the guy we installed pushed in that direction they invaded.
Do you have any evidence that Russia would invade Poland?
I mean we invaded Iraq a little while back for dubious reasons, it doesn’t mean we intended to take out Turkey or Jordan next.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 1:23 pm to RoosterCogburn585
Anytime we can stop Russia from seizing more power, it’s a win.
Can any of the pro Putin crowd explain why letting him take over Ukraine is good for the US?
Can any of the pro Putin crowd explain why letting him take over Ukraine is good for the US?
Posted on 9/21/23 at 1:27 pm to lsufan31
I love how you question the US giving billions to a corrupt country and somehow you are pro putin
Posted on 9/21/23 at 1:27 pm to lsufan31
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Can any of the pro Putin crowd explain why letting him take over Ukraine is good for the US?
I’m not arguing that it is, independent of other concerns.
But those concerns include, but aren’t limited to:
-US pushing BRICS towards dumping the petro dollar
-$110B in deficit spending
-Threat of open warfare with a nuclear power
-money laundering to NGOs and corrupt US politicians due to lack of oversight related to aid
-horrendous loss of life
-No direct benefit to the US
-Everyone I dislike in DC is in favor of us doing it
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 9/21/23 at 1:32 pm to lsufan31
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Anytime we can stop Russia from seizing more power, it’s a win.
This is not an absolute and needs context and bounds. The open ended do it until the job is done without even defining what the job is is exactly why no one wants to get involved except all the crooked politicians looking to profit off of it.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 2:12 pm to tide06
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Do you have any evidence that Russia would invade Poland?
They have invaded Poland before.
They have invaded several other border before.
They have proven time and time again they are aggressive, imperialistic and will use their military to broaden their borders.
These are all reasons for Poland or any of Russia’s neighbors to build alliances and to keep a wary eye on Moscow.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 2:17 pm to doubleb
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hey have invaded Poland before.
80 some years ago while they were the USSR. We invaded Mexico in the 1840s, should they be preparing for an imminent invasion?
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These are all reasons for Poland or any of Russia’s neighbors to build alliances
All nations should do this in their own self interest. It doesn’t mean that Russia is preparing to or capable of invading Poland successfully.
Poland is a NATO member, their military is light years better than Ukraine and Russia is not even able to complete their invasion of that nation, not to mention their armed forces are gutted due to their current invasion and would be a decade or two in even regaining their prewar military capabilities.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 2:24 pm to lsufan31
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Anytime we can stop Russia from seizing more power, it’s a win.
Can any of the pro Putin crowd explain why letting him take over Ukraine is good for the US?
Jesus just stop. No one here is pro Putin. Those of us that do not have blinders on do understand why Russia invaded. They were provoked into doing so. They drew a line in the sand about NATO. Ukraine (Obiden admin/CIA who actually controls Ukraine) crossed that line and left Russia no choice. The NATO thing plus many other evil dealings in Ukraine started this war. THE US STARTED THIS WAR.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 2:27 pm to tide06
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Poland is a NATO member, their military is light years better than Ukraine and Russia is not even able to complete their invasion of that nation, not to mention their armed forces are gutted due to their current invasion and would be a decade or two in even regaining their prewar military capabilities.
You are listing reasons why Ukraine or any of the European nations would want in NATO.
None of these nations trust Russia for all the reasons I listed.
And I believe that since 1840 we have proven to Mexico and Canada that we have no designs in their territory. Russia’s neighbors believe otherwise. Russia is s as threat to them.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 2:33 pm to Warboo
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Jesus just stop
People need to stop and you are one of them.
Putin did not have to invade Ukraine to maintain his borders. Ukraine, NATO, or the US never threatened him.
In fact the Russian Federation was involved in war after war and NATO did little to stop them.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 2:38 pm to doubleb
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People need to stop and you are one of them.
Putin did not have to invade Ukraine to maintain his borders. Ukraine, NATO, or the US never threatened him.
In fact the Russian Federation was involved in war after war and NATO did little to stop them.
You are not informed. You obviously have no idea what was going on in Ukraine prior to the invasion. Good luck going through life with blinders on.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 2:42 pm to RoosterCogburn585
It's not that I support Ukraine, it's that I am anti-invasion for the most part. I have not seen any reasonable reason for Russia's actions here.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 2:44 pm to AlxTgr
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It's not that I support Ukraine, it's that I am anti-invasion for the most part. I have not seen any reasonable reason for Russia's actions here.
You have not looked very much then.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 2:45 pm to Warboo
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You are not informed. You obviously have no idea what was going on in Ukraine prior to the invasion. Good luck going through life with blinders on.
And you are? Lol
Come on man, war should be a last resort; yet Putin gets Russia involved in war after war. That’s obvious to anyone paying attention.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 2:49 pm to RoosterCogburn585
It’s not like Ukraine is the most sympathetic figure, either. The Obama-installed government is a cesspool of corruption. They have a very visible and problematic Nazi problem.
This isn’t like a poor Ethiopia led by Haile Selassie getting invaded by Mussolini’s Italy. Those types of countries you can root for.
What I find funniest of all is my entire life (I’m old) liberals and Democrats in this country have been sucking up to the Soviet Union - if not outright committing treason for them. But, as soon as CNN and The View told them to, they started wearing blue/yellow face patches and “Slava Ukraine!”-ing all over themselves.
This isn’t like a poor Ethiopia led by Haile Selassie getting invaded by Mussolini’s Italy. Those types of countries you can root for.
What I find funniest of all is my entire life (I’m old) liberals and Democrats in this country have been sucking up to the Soviet Union - if not outright committing treason for them. But, as soon as CNN and The View told them to, they started wearing blue/yellow face patches and “Slava Ukraine!”-ing all over themselves.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 2:50 pm to doubleb
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And you are? Lol
Come on man, war should be a last resort; yet Putin gets Russia involved in war after war. That’s obvious to anyone paying attention.
I am Lol. You obviously are not.
Putin gets Russian involved in war after war? Have you looked at our track record? The US started this war period. I hate it as I dislike war or confrontation as much as anyone. The "establishment" needs war therefore we are always in a conflict of some sort. The only president that did not get us into another one is Trump. He had brokered the deal to get us out of Afgan. Of course the Obiden admin. turned that into a cluster fuk.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 2:51 pm to Warboo
quote:What's your list of valid reasons?
You have not looked very much then.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 2:55 pm to AlxTgr
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What's your list of valid reasons?
Read above. If you were to investigate (not the msm as they are not telling anything remotely close to the truth) you will easily find out why Putin HAD to do something.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 2:56 pm to doubleb
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They have invaded Poland before.
They have invaded several other border before.
They have proven time and time again they are aggressive, imperialistic and will use their military to broaden their borders.
These are all reasons for Poland or any of Russia’s neighbors to build alliances and to keep a wary eye on Moscow
lol. we've built internment camps for the japanese. around the same time as above. I guess we've proven that we will do it again?
Since then, we've overthrown countless governments. I guess our end goal is to do it to Russia. regime change is our name. why are we the arbiter of what is good and bad? This is outside of our purview.
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