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The United States is not bad
Posted on 3/17/24 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 3/17/24 at 12:57 pm
It's been a long term thing for the left to criticize US foreign policy and say we are the bad guys. I'm not saying we should be the world police, but even the right now days says the US was wrong in every war etc, things are way more complicated than many can understand. Even the Vietnam war is understandable given the global implications of what was happening at the time. Yes the US hasn't been perfect, but I would way rather be a subject of the US intervention than the Soviet Union or China
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 12:59 pm to medium rare
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Even the Vietnam war is understandable
Stopped reading here
Posted on 3/17/24 at 1:01 pm to Geronimo
I'm not saying it was great, but the reasoning behind it was understandable. Same thing with us supporting fascist in central America, what was the alternative? It's easy to point and say "that was bad" but the alternative was communist on our border.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 1:02 pm to Geronimo
Someone was going to control those countries, would it be better if it was communist?
Posted on 3/17/24 at 1:04 pm to medium rare
Medium rare alt.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 1:05 pm to medium rare
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but the alternative was communist on our border.
And yet here we are with homegrown communists within our borders (not to mention who knows how many others coming across daily).
Posted on 3/17/24 at 1:11 pm to medium rare
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Even the Vietnam war is understandable given the global implications of what was happening at the time.
Nope. The 'implication' was domino theory. If we let the commies take S.V. they would continue expanding their takeovers in the Pacific. Well, after tons of deaths and money spent they took over S.V. but there was no further expansion. In fact, we trade with Vietnam today. They make a lot of silk. And they are a very cheap Pacific vacation spot for tourists.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 1:13 pm to medium rare
there were lots of cold war action we did either by boots on the ground, proxy or regime change against communist threats in many countries. after being in japan and korea we should have pulled out of vietnam once they were not listening to our advisors anymore. that was enough time in the far east.
we shoulda made sure cuba did not turn commie instead. we failed there. there was a threat of the USSR taking over iran as the russians were in iran for a few years after WW2 and it bordered soviet states. iran had the tudeh commie party. there was a threat they would take over so mossadegh was taken out. there was shite in china, south and central america.
we shoulda made sure cuba did not turn commie instead. we failed there. there was a threat of the USSR taking over iran as the russians were in iran for a few years after WW2 and it bordered soviet states. iran had the tudeh commie party. there was a threat they would take over so mossadegh was taken out. there was shite in china, south and central america.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 1:15 pm to Great Plains Drifter
Yes that's the situation NOW, but to apply it in the past is akin to liberals saying Thomas Jefferson was bad for owning slaves, it's being completely blind or ignorant to the situation at the time
Posted on 3/17/24 at 1:15 pm to medium rare
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but the alternative was communist on our border.
We have communists on our border. It's called Cuba. The distance between Cuba and the U.S. is 100 miles.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 1:17 pm to medium rare
We haven’t had a coherent foreign policy agenda since the day Clinton was elected
Posted on 3/17/24 at 1:18 pm to medium rare
It’s obvious that both far left and far right hate the USA equally.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 1:19 pm to Zach
Ok and people didn't like that, and did what they could do combat that.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 1:20 pm to Bengalbio
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It’s obvious that both far left and far right hate the USA equally.
Really? You think the Founding Fathers hated America?
Posted on 3/17/24 at 1:22 pm to medium rare
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I would way rather be a subject of the US intervention than the Soviet Union or China
That’s a pretty low bar you have there lol.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 1:23 pm to medium rare
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Even the Vietnam war is understandable given the global implications of what was happening at the time.
Holy shite.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 1:26 pm to medium rare
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Same thing with us supporting fascist in central America, what was the alternative? It's easy to point and say "that was bad" but the alternative was communist on our border.
Sometimes you just gotta support death squads amirite? Doesn’t make it a bad thing amirite? We’re still the good guys amirite?
Posted on 3/17/24 at 1:34 pm to medium rare
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Yes that's the situation NOW, but to apply it in the past is akin to liberals saying Thomas Jefferson was bad for owning slaves, it's being completely blind or ignorant to the situation at the time
No, it’s called perspective and moving forward from mistakes. The United States and its people are not bad. We’ve always been among the most generous people in the world and most of us have/will always love our country.
But that doesn’t mean our government has always been good. In fact, I think many have had epiphanies in these recent years which cause us to question not only things our government does now but also to reflect and question things our government did in the past. We aren’t as blindly trusting of our government’s motives anymore as earlier generations may have been and I don’t think that’s a bad thing.
They are supposed to represent us after all.
This post was edited on 3/17/24 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 3/17/24 at 1:36 pm to medium rare
TLDR version for those following along home:
Posted on 3/17/24 at 1:39 pm to medium rare
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US foreign policy and say we are the bad guys
Talk to the Hamiltonians and the Yankees. They have always had their sights set on an American Empire to rule the world. Only they know what is needed and what the right interventions were.
They wanted a strong overarching central government
They bolstered the slave trade
They wanted to make big land grabs
They wanted the agriculture money from the South to fund their internal improvements
They wanted to end the slave institution not out of benevolence, but because they no longer had a need for them
They waged a war that killed nearly 1 million Americans
They have grown the central government into what it is today
They have kicked off wars and regime changes to benefit their banking and mercantile economies.
They were the original Karen political puritans
They believe they nee dto be involved in issues no where close to them
This post was edited on 3/17/24 at 1:40 pm
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