re: The United Methodist Church’s support for gun control initiatives

One of many reasons I left the UMC years ago. In fact, quit going to church altogether.

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He mentioned that the biggest opposition to gay marriage actually comes from delegates from the African and Asian countries attending this conference, which was an interesting aspect I hadn't thought about before.

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I would include the South in that, as well. In fact, we have had 3 large Churches in Mississippi leave the conference over all of this; Olive Branch, Tupelo and Meridian (although technically, the Meridian Church had to hand over the keys to the Conference as enough of the congregation wanted to stay connected). The General Conference had ample time to prepare for this last year rather than appointing another council to "study" it. It's time to fish or cut bait, poop or get off of the pot, or any other metaphors that you want to use.

For what it is worth from a historical perspective, the Methodist church was a actually the bastard step- child of the Church of England. John Wesley never intended to start a new denomination. It took a life of its own in the colonies. It was originally a very conservative church and as it slowly reverted to resuming some of the religious sacraments a group left which would eventually become the Pentecostal church. Since the 70's the SJWs got control of the UMC and it's been slowly going downhill since. I am no longer religious either, but do maintain a sense of spirituality. I have become to believe that many churches are social clubs, religion is for those scared of going to hell, and spirituality is for those of us who have already been there.

One thing I noticed in my latter years of church attendance was how many husbands were there under protest. Religion seems to appeal more to females and the husband knows that if he doesn't show up for the wife, the pussy gets cut off for a day or two. Once the kids are on their own, church attendance is prone to drop off for a house hold. Once the divorce happens, the male goes back to doing what he really wants to do on Sunday mornings. The divorced females? A number of them go back to church, particularly after they hit the wall in age, as they have no other place to turn to.

UMC will go the same way of all liberal denoms that let women become pastors; they’ll dwindle on down.

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Salvation didnt come to the Gentiles through the writings of Paul. If you believe it happened at all, it comes through the grace of a loving God.

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Well of course but we wouldn't even know about it if not for the writings of Paul and Luke.

Then again the writings of Luke that actually tell us how to be saved are ignored just as much as Paul's writings are.

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I'm not quite an atheist, but I thank God every day that I am not religious. Using the Bible, Koran, Torah, etc as a guide to life is like planning a Mars expedition using MS-Dos. I have more sense than that. That's why operating systems are updated. Why would I want to use a system where the authors were unknown, the scribes were few, and there is no validation of its texts. While some of it is exemplary other parts are moronic. And they are all contradictory. Essentially, I've yet to see much evidence of good Christian behavior on this board. Its a joke.

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Take off your fedora and step away from the Internet for a while. Go outside and enjoy the world the LORD has made

God will sort you out.

My UM church has never once from the pulpit gone political. Nor outside of it that I know of. Wouldn't still be there if they did.
Perhaps thats what some folks look for or need but not my family.

We already do this. Each Sunday we have 4 or 5 deacons carrying, and a command center where cameras are constantly monitoring the grounds.