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re: The Truth About Ahmaud Arbery
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:44 pm to Music_City_Tiger
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:44 pm to Music_City_Tiger
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Ok. Let's say you are correct. Does that give the "jogger" the right to attack someone and try to take their gun?
If that’s all that’s happening, no. If someone with a gun moves multiple times to block my path, then the equation changes.
See the story I linked above.
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Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:44 pm to the808bass
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Here’s an interesting contemporaneous case.
This is closer to the Trayvon Martin case. And I think we know which way the courts decided that one.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:45 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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IDC whether 911 was called
911 was called to report the "jogger" in the home that was under construction. That was just before all this went down.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:45 pm to Music_City_Tiger
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Does that give the "jogger" the right to attack someone and try to take their gun?
they were brandishing guns attempting to effect an unlawful citizen's arrest
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:46 pm to Smeg
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This is closer to the Trayvon Martin case. And I think we know which way the courts decided that one.
They're totally going to walk and, people are going to melt the frick down.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:48 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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they were brandishing guns attempting to effect an unlawful citizen's arrest
Please cite your evidence.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:48 pm to ShortyRob
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They're totally going to walk and, people are going to melt the frick down.
Always a plus. I love their tears.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:48 pm to ShortyRob
Momentum is most certainly not on their side as it stands now.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:48 pm to Smeg
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This is closer to the Trayvon Martin case.
I don’t think it is for a number of reasons. In the Trayvon Martin case, Trayvon doubled back to confront Zimmerman. In this case, the McMichaels doubled back to confront Arbery. In the Martin case, Zimmerman didn’t have his gun out and didn’t say he was going to detain Martin. The McMichaels had their guns out and said they were going to detain Arbery.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:49 pm to ShortyRob
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They're totally going to walk and, people are going to melt the frick down.
You may be right... And it will be Trump's fault
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:49 pm to davyjones
quote:It almost never is at this point in these cases.
Momentum is most certainly not on their side as it stands now.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:50 pm to Music_City_Tiger
quote:You talking about the baw blockading the road with a shotgun? The guy who ran over to cut off the victim's escape route? That's aggressive as frick.
He was trying to take the baws shotgun... I don't think that is standing your ground.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:51 pm to Music_City_Tiger
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You may be right... And it will be Trump's fault
Well, to be fair. The usual suspects will say this is Trump's fault whether they walk or not!
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:51 pm to Music_City_Tiger
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911 was called to report the "jogger" in the home that was under construction. That was just before all this went down.
What did Arbery do in the house?
Who called 911 about it?
Those are both factors in a lawful citizens arrest.
A black man “hauling arse” isn’t.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:55 pm to Music_City_Tiger
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Please cite your evidence.
this is beyond common knowledge but since you're pretty tone deaf and stubborn to deny basic facts
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Instead of waiting for police, Travis and Gregory notified their neighbor and loaded up onto a pickup truck to confront the man they suspect of the recent burglaries.
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Many have attacked “stand your ground” laws especially in the wake of Trayvon Martin’s death at the hand of George Zimmerman. But the legalities behind the law are not an issue – what is an issue is the perversion of the law in the minds of vigilantes like Zimmerman and in this case the McMichael’s.
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In fact the “stand your ground law” gave Arbery the right to fight with all his might and try and disarm Travis.
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The McMichael’s did not have a legal basis to detain or arrest Arbery and therefore were indeed the aggressors in this situation. Also consider the video. While obscured and very short in length, the initial shot happens almost immediately upon contact between Arbery and Travis. I would venture to judge that there was hardly any time to suggest that Arbery posed any grave danger to Travis, especially given that Travis was armed and Arbery was not. This, therefore, makes Travis the aggressor.
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Arbery was shot after two men saw him running in their neighborhood and armed themselves with guns before getting in a truck to pursue him, according to an incident report filed by Glynn County police.
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McMichael and his son, Travis, grabbed guns
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McMichael said Travis got out of the truck with a shotgun and Arbery "began to violently attack" him
here's your proof beyond a reasonable doubt, moron, Arbery had guts to defend himself DK what I would've done had a stranger followed me to effect an unlawful citizen's arrest then accosted me with a shotgun, THEY WEREN'T EVEN COPS
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:57 pm to ShortyRob
quote:If they walk, a meltdown would be 100% warranted.
They're totally going to walk and, people are going to melt the frick down.
Citizen's arrest laws exist so that retailers can detain shoplifters, or so that you or I can stop a purse-snatcher, things like that. So that good samaritans can detain a person and not be charged for it.
They do NOT exist for the purpose of legalizing armed vigilante posses to take the law into their own hands. And I'm pretty sure case law has interpreted the laws this way, even in Georgia.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:59 pm to Smeg
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This is closer to the Trayvon Martin case.
Nothing like it.
These two were the agitators, Z man wasn't.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:59 pm to ShortyRob
To be successful in the self-defense claim they've got to first show legit citizens arrest. In order to show legit citizens arrest they've got to show a felony crime occurred within their immediate knowledge....I'm having a difficult time making a case for them on those things. And the dad having law enforcement experience will cause an even more stern scrutinization of what was or wasn't reasonable for them to believe. What felony did this experienced former law enforcement official have reasonable belief to have occurred to start with?
Uphill battle for them IMO.
Uphill battle for them IMO.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 1:00 pm to Korkstand
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If they walk, a meltdown would be 100% warranted. Citizen's arrest laws exist so that retailers can detain shoplifters, or so that you or I can stop a purse-snatcher, things like that. So that good samaritans can detain a person and not be charged for it. They do NOT exist for the purpose of legalizing armed vigilante posses to take the law into their own hands. And I'm pretty sure case law has interpreted the laws this way, even in Georgia.
100% I don't even see how this is even debatable these two can't defend themselves on citizen's arrest grounds, they certainly can't defend themselves on stand your ground it is a LOSER
Posted on 5/10/20 at 1:01 pm to Music_City_Tiger
quote:Yes he was. If you confront someone while brandishing a weapon, that is assault 100% of the time.quote:No he wasn't.
He was being assaulted.
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