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re: The Soviets took power with less than 600,000 registered bolsheviks out of 150 million
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:07 pm to Loserman
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:07 pm to Loserman
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5 to 15 % of any population are the ones who make all of the changes in a society. The rest are sheep
it would take half that to overthrow this country now. After seeing little pushback from the normies on Covid and J6 and such, we would all just sit home and hope they passed us by. Because our jobs and such, blah blah.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:09 pm to Auburn1968
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It was a time when there was a total power vacuum, the army was defeated and people were confused and hungry. Communism's history of failure had not yet been written into history.
If I have it correctly based on the book, "Wilson's War," the US was paying Russia to keep their military on the front lines during WWI at that time to keep the Axis tied up. While all of their military-aged young men were off fighting, the left took control.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 3:00 pm to DellTronJon
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I am happy thay we have the second, but an armed family can only do so much against an armed mob.

Posted on 6/9/26 at 3:11 pm to AUauditor
The US supplied both sides indirectly during WW1, especially during the first half of the war. There was no “bad” side during the war. Czarist Russia had run its course and even after the Czar resigned, Russia continued to send men to the slaughter. Russia was prime for revolution with a massive peasant population
Posted on 6/9/26 at 3:18 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
America is beyond saving. It's naive to think otherwise. We are too far gone and you can thank our grandparents for being dumb enough to believe the Hart Celler act wouldn't significantly alter the nation's demographics...
Posted on 6/9/26 at 3:24 pm to coolpapaboze
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don't think any of the communist takeovers of the 20th century were grassroots movements, i.e. had a majority support.
Also add that most were drummed up by privileged, upper middle class intellectuals, radicalized in their twenties, who knew what was best for the poor proletariat better than the proletariat did.
It’s the same movie over and over, and it always ends with power struggles within the movement, violence, and the ‘proletariat’ worse off than before, at least among the ones that survive the ‘revolution’.
This post was edited on 6/9/26 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 6/9/26 at 3:39 pm to AUauditor
No, Karensky who was the provisional PM from February until October of 1917 felt as though Russia was obligated to their allies namely France to continue to create pressure on the Germans. That all went out the windows in October when the Bolshevik ranks swelled due to the chaos the Mensheviks and other liberal pro parliament were in. Then at Brest Litovsk, Lenin just shut it all down to concentrate on the revolution
The chaos unleashed was something we in the US don't or couldn't understand. We bitch about relative bullshite. They initiated revolution for legitimate grievances like no bread on Petrograd in January. Troops running out of ammo, working conditions that make Dickens novels seem like snapshots of paradise. A Czar and Czarina who were clueless with the Czarina wielding her power recklessly because they were damned close to absolute monarchs . A lost war to the Japanese and corruption that would make even Bob Menendez blush.
The Bolsheviks were the most organized of the factions. Lenin had about a 3 point plan and he was ready to implement. Bolsheviks had controlled the rails since the beginning of the revolution. They had organizers in the factories.....and they were much more willing to be be not just violent, but extremely brutally violent if they had to be
The chaos unleashed was something we in the US don't or couldn't understand. We bitch about relative bullshite. They initiated revolution for legitimate grievances like no bread on Petrograd in January. Troops running out of ammo, working conditions that make Dickens novels seem like snapshots of paradise. A Czar and Czarina who were clueless with the Czarina wielding her power recklessly because they were damned close to absolute monarchs . A lost war to the Japanese and corruption that would make even Bob Menendez blush.
The Bolsheviks were the most organized of the factions. Lenin had about a 3 point plan and he was ready to implement. Bolsheviks had controlled the rails since the beginning of the revolution. They had organizers in the factories.....and they were much more willing to be be not just violent, but extremely brutally violent if they had to be
Posted on 6/9/26 at 3:43 pm to Nature Boy
The problems in Russia are mostly in the upper class, they saw the czar was weak, they also saw his son had bad health issue and never could take the throne.
The military and upper class are plotting to dethrone the czar. Even the Czars on family is trying to take over for the Czar.
Military intelligence is doing operations on their own and really started World War I with one of their many operations and they even wanted the Czar gone. (you should read the leader in the group)
The middle class is growing by each year, the poor are being given land. It is the lower middle class that pushed the revolution when it came.
The main reason Lenin had so many join the revolution on his side is giving the land to the people, and what happened?
Lenin got control and had any one shot that disagreed with him and the land promises went to the wind. He had control of the military and ruled with an iron fist shooting any in the way.
Stalin comes out the winner as he gained control of the sceret police.
The military and upper class are plotting to dethrone the czar. Even the Czars on family is trying to take over for the Czar.
Military intelligence is doing operations on their own and really started World War I with one of their many operations and they even wanted the Czar gone. (you should read the leader in the group)
The middle class is growing by each year, the poor are being given land. It is the lower middle class that pushed the revolution when it came.
The main reason Lenin had so many join the revolution on his side is giving the land to the people, and what happened?
Lenin got control and had any one shot that disagreed with him and the land promises went to the wind. He had control of the military and ruled with an iron fist shooting any in the way.
Stalin comes out the winner as he gained control of the sceret police.
This post was edited on 6/9/26 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 6/9/26 at 3:49 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
It took 50 years of revolution to finally happen but Lenin et al finally figured out that if you seize control of the critical points like the phone and telegraph offices and railway depots, you can centralize and control the whole country.
This is a good documentary.
LINK
This is a good documentary.
LINK
This post was edited on 6/9/26 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 6/9/26 at 4:04 pm to tigger1
The problem was military intelligence was even more inept than the Czar who knew he was in way over his head. Nicholas was too nice of a guy to be Czar. But, Alexandra was a spiteful Czarina. Nicholas had found a competent Army chief of staff, but Alexandra had known that he was critical of Rasputin and his influence, so she had him removed while Nicky was at the front.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 4:16 pm to TrueTiger
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The Colonists who backed secession from England were a minority as well.
33% wanted to break from england
33% did not give a shite
33% wanted to stay loyal to the crown
Posted on 6/9/26 at 4:17 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
I’ll never understand all those that go on message boards that say we need to do this and we need to do that never say frick it I’m missing work and going to protest
The only reason you hear from the liberals like you do is they scream the loudest and they have no jobs:)
Yeah I know most protesting are paid agitators
All it would take would be a two day shut down mass protest by conservatives this sht would get nipped in the bud quickly we far outnumber them but we let it slide because we have to work and provide
Jus sayin
Going back to my delta Mississippi bunker now!
The only reason you hear from the liberals like you do is they scream the loudest and they have no jobs:)
Yeah I know most protesting are paid agitators
All it would take would be a two day shut down mass protest by conservatives this sht would get nipped in the bud quickly we far outnumber them but we let it slide because we have to work and provide
Jus sayin
Going back to my delta Mississippi bunker now!
Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:17 pm to Loserman
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5 to 15% of any population are the ones who make all of the changes in a society
So the 23% of Americans who still support Donald Trump's leadership literally have the power to turn this country upside down
Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:39 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
OK, but how many registered Mensheviks were there?
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