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re: The return of manufacturing through tariffs is fantasy
Posted on 11/18/25 at 4:26 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 11/18/25 at 4:26 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:It's been 6 months since the tariff negotiations started, but you want ALL of the investment to be done already? Hmm. You sound like a libtard or a democrat.
There has not been "$6 Trillion of investments" due to tariffs. There's been promises for a lot and barely any made...with the real risk of this entire tariff thing unwinding anyway.
quote:Tell you what. Send me your address and I'll mail you a mirror, a sock and some lube. Then you can go FRICK Yourself. Deal?
Winning = countries saying things without actually doing them? Weird.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 4:36 pm to Perfect Circle
From Chat GPT, and it’s not even the full list:
Key Examples
1. Johnson & Johnson
• J&J announced over $55 billion in U.S. investment over four years.
• They broke ground on a high-tech manufacturing facility in Wilson, North Carolina for next-gen medicines.
• J&J frames part of this as a response to looming import-duties on pharmaceuticals.
2. Roche
• The Swiss pharma giant is investing $50 billion in U.S. operations over five years.
• Planned projects include a 900,000 sq ft plant for weight-loss drugs, a gene therapy facility in Pennsylvania, and R&D sites in several states.
• Roche explicitly links these investments to “tariff concerns” on drug imports. ?
3. Merck
• Merck is building a $1 billion facility in Delaware to produce biologic medicines, including its Keytruda cancer therapy.
• According to Merck, this helps mitigate exposure to potential import costs under U.S. tariff policies.
4. Abbott Laboratories
• Abbott said it will invest $500 million into U.S. manufacturing (and R&D) capacity in Illinois and Texas.
• This is framed in part as preparing for the risk of country-specific levies.
5. Hyundai
• Hyundai announced a $21 billion commitment to U.S. manufacturing from 2025–2028.
• While not all of this may be purely tariff-related, it aligns with reshoring narratives tied to U.S. industrial policy and trade negotiation pressures.
6. IBM
• IBM pledged $150 billion in U.S. manufacturing over five years.
• Part of this is for R&D to support U.S.-based advanced computing and AI, which could factor into supply chain resilience amid tariff shifts.
Key Examples
1. Johnson & Johnson
• J&J announced over $55 billion in U.S. investment over four years.
• They broke ground on a high-tech manufacturing facility in Wilson, North Carolina for next-gen medicines.
• J&J frames part of this as a response to looming import-duties on pharmaceuticals.
2. Roche
• The Swiss pharma giant is investing $50 billion in U.S. operations over five years.
• Planned projects include a 900,000 sq ft plant for weight-loss drugs, a gene therapy facility in Pennsylvania, and R&D sites in several states.
• Roche explicitly links these investments to “tariff concerns” on drug imports. ?
3. Merck
• Merck is building a $1 billion facility in Delaware to produce biologic medicines, including its Keytruda cancer therapy.
• According to Merck, this helps mitigate exposure to potential import costs under U.S. tariff policies.
4. Abbott Laboratories
• Abbott said it will invest $500 million into U.S. manufacturing (and R&D) capacity in Illinois and Texas.
• This is framed in part as preparing for the risk of country-specific levies.
5. Hyundai
• Hyundai announced a $21 billion commitment to U.S. manufacturing from 2025–2028.
• While not all of this may be purely tariff-related, it aligns with reshoring narratives tied to U.S. industrial policy and trade negotiation pressures.
6. IBM
• IBM pledged $150 billion in U.S. manufacturing over five years.
• Part of this is for R&D to support U.S.-based advanced computing and AI, which could factor into supply chain resilience amid tariff shifts.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 5:37 pm to Perfect Circle
AI is supposed to leave many unemployed. When that happens, you’ll wish you had a sock factory in your town.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 6:09 pm to Woolfpack
Know why I love to read the PB? Because there are so many economics experts to enlighten me.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 6:25 pm to Free888
The first Democratic administration will ditch tariffs.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 6:30 pm to Pettifogger
quote:
highly doubt even Vance intends to make tariff policy a centerpiece of his (hypothetical) administration.
I think you are correct. That is why i believe the best person for POTUS in 28 is Eric Trump. He has been running the Trump companies since Trump came down the elevator in 2015 and has experienced all of the attacks on his father and family. He is young, strong, smart, experienced in business and highly motivated.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 6:32 pm to Woolfpack
quote:
AI is supposed to leave many unemployed. When that happens, you’ll wish you had a sock factory in your town.
I'd rather learn a craft to market, instead of working on an assembly line.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 6:33 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 11/18/25 at 6:37 pm to Pettifogger
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I just don't get the endgame here. The envisioned success will depend on multiple administrations reinforcing what Trumps started. I highly doubt even Vance intends to make tariff policy a centerpiece of his (hypothetical) administration.
I think you are wrong and future Democrat administrations will continue Trump’s trade policies just as Biden did. Don’t let political demagoguery fool you, the Democrats agree with most of these policies; they just never had the balls to implement them. Clinton and Obama tried to get our allies to pay their fair share of defense and level trade agreements.
The next Democratic administration will likely keep immigration and trade policies roughly the same. They will make some high profile, day one reversals, but the gist of Trump’s trade policies will remain.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 6:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Combine the forecasted AI unemployment with the imminent fiscal crisis and I’d wager we will need every job we can get.
Even if it’s just corporate taxes alone, we need to bring everything back that we can.
Even if it’s just corporate taxes alone, we need to bring everything back that we can.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 6:43 pm to Perfect Circle
Getting manufacturing in the US is hard and some of the factories are paid for by grants. The Obama administration gave LG a $151 million grant to open a battery plant in Michigan. After a few years of talks in 2016 LG came to an agreement to build and a plant in Clarksville, TN. Thy used grants and incentives to help build the plant. The announcement was made in February 2017 and finished in 2018. In 2022 LG expanded their EV plants in Michigan, Tennessee, Arizona, and Georgia.
In 2023 a EV battery plant was announced with a $4.3 billion investment from Korea, but in September it and 21 other South Korean ventures were halted after ICE detained around 300 Koreans. Most Korean businesses have started back up.
We need materials from other countries to manufacture what the Korean plants need. If the tariffs are to high it could lead to a halt in building new plants or closing existing plants.
In 2023 a EV battery plant was announced with a $4.3 billion investment from Korea, but in September it and 21 other South Korean ventures were halted after ICE detained around 300 Koreans. Most Korean businesses have started back up.
We need materials from other countries to manufacture what the Korean plants need. If the tariffs are to high it could lead to a halt in building new plants or closing existing plants.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 6:43 pm to RollTide4547
This was your exact claim, quote:
That is simply a false statement. The vast majority of what you are lumping in there are commitments to invest. On the foreign side, I'm sure you will agree that these commitments largely came in response to tariff war negotiations. The status of the tariffs is now very much in question. And certainly you would also agree that if the tariffs go away, these countries would be much less incentivized to follow through.
On the domestic side, it's obviously absurd to credit all domestic investment to the White House - although some clearly should be.
Here's a much more accurate summary:
Tariff negotiations have helped secure promises to invest from a number of foreign countries. These are mostly non-binding commitments - at the very least they could be easily unwound by a different, future administration - that hinge on the ability to actually charge tariffs...something that is very much in question in the immediate term.
To the extent that any commitments are ever fulfilled, it could have a modest impact on "onshoring" manufacturing.
quote:
The world has invested like 6 trillion since trump took office.
That is simply a false statement. The vast majority of what you are lumping in there are commitments to invest. On the foreign side, I'm sure you will agree that these commitments largely came in response to tariff war negotiations. The status of the tariffs is now very much in question. And certainly you would also agree that if the tariffs go away, these countries would be much less incentivized to follow through.
On the domestic side, it's obviously absurd to credit all domestic investment to the White House - although some clearly should be.
Here's a much more accurate summary:
Tariff negotiations have helped secure promises to invest from a number of foreign countries. These are mostly non-binding commitments - at the very least they could be easily unwound by a different, future administration - that hinge on the ability to actually charge tariffs...something that is very much in question in the immediate term.
To the extent that any commitments are ever fulfilled, it could have a modest impact on "onshoring" manufacturing.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 6:52 pm to Perfect Circle
Even though a lot of those manufacturer jobs will be filled with robotics and AI. There will be jobs added for Americans. The biggest obstacle right now is making sure those jobs are filled by actual Americans and not H1B's. Despite what Trump say's. There are no jobs that are to good for the American people. As long as the job pays a fair wage. Americans will do what it takes to learn to get the job done with the highest standards.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 6:54 pm to Woolfpack
quote:
AI is supposed to leave many unemployed. When that happens, you’ll wish you had a sock factory in your town.
Since I'm old, I remember all of the textile mills that used to be in the South. When the tariffs on Indian textiles were dropped, they all closed up very soon thereafter.
Soho in NYC had a lot of shirt waste factories at the time too. They too all closed at that time. Worked okay for me since landlords were so desperate to rent the empty former manufacturing floors that I rented a 6500 sq. ft. floor for under 1,000 a month.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 6:57 pm to Woolfpack
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AI is supposed to leave many unemployed. When that happens, you’ll wish you had a sock factory in your town.
If you live Fort Payne, Alabama you would lucky. They are the official sock capital of the world. They’ve been making socks since 1907
Posted on 11/18/25 at 7:07 pm to j1897
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I did, you're stupid.
Are you under the impression that billion dollar factories sprout from the ground overnight fully operational and staffed?
There are trillions of dollars of manufacturing projects committed to being built domestically and many of them are already under construction.
It’ll take years for those projects to begin impacting the metrics you referenced.
In the meantime please stop throwing histrionic temper tantrums with zero knowledge of how real world economics and business operations work.
quote:
Freaking boomers
Is this directed at me? I’m a millennial.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 7:29 pm to j1897
quote:
What tense is "happening?"
I can tell you’re really struggling with these concepts, but it’s ok I’ll simplify it for you:
Step 1) company commits to building a factory
Step 2) locations are chosen, permits are lined up and financing secured
Step 3) ground is broken and construction is underway including roads, railroad access and power lines
Step 4) construction is complete, machinery is brought in and testing occurs to ensure they meet requirements
Step 5) employees are hired and production begins
All five steps involve the return of manufacturing via tariffs.
Without Trump leveraging tariffs steps 1-5 never happen.
Thanks to the tariffs we are between steps 2-3 with most of the projects that were agreed to.
Your metrics only measure active production and none of the tariff related activity are there yet because some of them are even now still being finalized.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 7:31 pm to Perfect Circle
quote:
The first Democratic administration will ditch tariffs.
Like when Biden ditched Trump’s China tariffs. Oh wait…..
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