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re: The "religious right" is a boogeyman blown out of proportion
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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wat
that was Justice Kennedy's rationale in the DOMA case, though that was public as opposed to private. I've been going in and out of talking about protected classes in general and baker situation specifically.
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:07 pm to los angeles tiger
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Hell, I live in California and they are outlawing positive behavior.
Is that a yes or a no?
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it deals with legislative "rights" (if you want to use that words), not constitutional ones
which, as you said, have been upheld by the SCOTUS on constitutional grounds.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:10 pm to goldennugget
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I don't think we are as evil as people make us out to be and definitely are not the source for all problems
No one thinks social cons are "evil", they're just assholes who want to use gov't to tell people how to live.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:12 pm to los angeles tiger
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What about some factual events like what I've posted about private business owers that don't do as the lgbt groups demand? I haven't seen Christians going to gay owned businesses and suing them for what we are seeing by gays and pro-abortion lobby.
You're a broken guitar with one string...same,tired shite of well the gays do it too. Is that how you want to play it? Keep it even? This is the weakest line of argument there is for your position.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:13 pm to los angeles tiger
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Are you of the opinion that only positive behavior is to be allowed by society? Who gets to determine this?
Hell, I live in California and they are outlawing positive behavior.
Non-responsive - look at what they did!
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
The first amendment states
So you are for prohibiting the free exercise thereof even though it is a violation of the constitution and congress is to make no law.
You support oppressing Christians because you deem such to be okay. You also make the assumption that you speak for all that in that "minority label." You don't. I stated before that there are many gays that are outraged with these lawsuits against Christian owned business. Those gays don't feel oppressed but you claim they are and have elevated yourself to speak for them because you "know better."
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
So you are for prohibiting the free exercise thereof even though it is a violation of the constitution and congress is to make no law.
You support oppressing Christians because you deem such to be okay. You also make the assumption that you speak for all that in that "minority label." You don't. I stated before that there are many gays that are outraged with these lawsuits against Christian owned business. Those gays don't feel oppressed but you claim they are and have elevated yourself to speak for them because you "know better."
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:15 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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which, as you said, have been upheld by the SCOTUS on constitutional grounds.
upholding a law's constitutionality and a constitutional right are two VERY different things
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:15 pm to cwill
You are just broken. Never made it to being an instrument of any use. Just dead wood rotting.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:16 pm to los angeles tiger
Man, I hope you are happier in-person than you are on here.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:18 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
quote:Without a doubt. Especially when it comes to republican politics. The most rabid evangelicals can't even muster getting an evangelical even competitive in the primaries, when the most right-winger voters vote.
The "religious right" is a boogeyman blown out of proportion
A party that nominates Mitt Romeny isn't a party dominated by the "religious right".
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:22 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:Is there a religious left? Are we to assume that all Dems are atheist, because on matters of religion their ideology comes before their faith.
The "religious right" is a boogeyman blown out of proportion
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:24 pm to goldennugget
quote:"Religious Right" is a political term, not a religious one.
The "religious right" is a boogeyman blown out of proportion
It implies Christian Politics.
Insofar as the "religious right" strives for defense of its own space, I have no problem with it at all. As the "antireligious left" has been aggressive at expanding its positions over the years, that expansion certainly invites response. However, problems arise when the "Religious Right" oversteps as with Blue Laws, Christian proselytizing on the public dime, etc. E.g., what apparently occurred in the Sabine Parish School District.
Unfortunately given the chance, the latter is often more rule than exception.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:31 pm to NC_Tigah
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However, problems arise when the "Religious Right" oversteps as with Blue Laws,
It's not the religious right that has brought about the laws that make it illegal to smoke a cigarette in your private home in many California cities. It's not the religious right that forces stores and bars to no longer sell liquor by 2 am in California. Those laws are from the left in this state.
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:35 pm to HempHead
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Man, I hope you are happier in-person than you are on here.
How is it that you can claim I am not a happy person? You seem awfully bitter because you can't "get high" all the time legally. I hope you will get some help with your drug addiction problem.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:44 pm to los angeles tiger
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It's not the religious right that has brought about the laws that make it illegal to smoke a cigarette in your private home in many California cities. It's not the religious right that forces stores and bars to no longer sell liquor by 2 am in California. Those laws are from the left in this state.
What is your point with this nonsense? It appears all you ever do is justify bad behavior by social cons by pointing to bad behavior of leftist busy bodies. Is that it for you? Your a big gov fan but just not this brand of big gov?
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:44 pm to los angeles tiger
quote:LAT, I have no argument with that at all.
It's not the religious right that has brought about the laws that make it illegal to smoke a cigarette in your private home in many California cities.
Zero.
You are absolutely right.
The ultimate "boogeyman" is infringement on liberty and happiness. Both left and right are guilty of that at times. Where infringement on liberty translates directly to the "Religious Right," it is what it is. "Blowing out of proportion" is probably somewhat in the eye of the beholder. I'd argue you know it when you see it though . . . from either side.
When a "boogeyman" does become apparent in any case, it invites reaction and response. That for example, is my concern with the aggressive nature of the gay marriage push as opposed to what could have been less aggressive and equally productive opportunities.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:51 pm to NC_Tigah
A gym in San Francisco had to close the steam room because of the sexual activity taking place.
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As the LGBT community waits for the SCOTUS to rule on same-sex marriage, another pressing issue lurks under the radar: the right to get a hand job in the steam room at Fitness SF. The locally-owned gym, with locations throughout the Bay Area, decided to close the steam rooms at the Castro and SoMa locations because they couldn't police the sexual activity, particularly in the Castro location.
Jarring yellow tape greeted steam-heat fans this week, blocking them from both entrance and eroticism. (The Castro location's room of sweat and heat, we should point out, is famous for après-workout sexual release; "the protein pod" is what one friend of SFist crudely calls it.) The Fitness SF management told SFist that they decided to close the steam rooms at both locations after allegedly receiving loads of negative feedback. "We've received too many complaints," they explained, adding, "Now that the steam rooms are closing, we'll expand the shower area with more stalls and provide stalls with doors."
Here's a couple of responses
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1) You are overdramatizing. No one is "blowing loads all over a public steam room" or "cum[ming] all over the floor and walk[ing] away from it."
2) So because "the rights of the majority to a safe, clean, sanitary steam room" are so important, the right thing is to close it so that nobody has access to any steam room at all?
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gwumpycat Josh A. • 8 months ago
Yes, when a minority of people are unable to obey the rules and create a situation that isn't safe and enjoyable for everyone, shite gets shut down.
Amusement park rides, dangerous trails in National Parks, etc. Everything gets dumbed down when a minority who refuses to follow the rules won't curb their behavior.
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Josh A. gwumpycat • 8 months ago
Still overdramatizing... nothing about the situation was "dangerous". The truth of the matter is that some people just didn't like it. They happen to have the dominant cultural prejudices on their side. "Public health", safety, etc are all just the cover story used to justify imposing one group's preferences on another.
The fact that some people like yourself are happier when nobody is happy really says it all.
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This was at a gym, not a gay bathhouse, yet there are gays complaining about management trampling over their rights to have sex and jack off in the steam room. Not everyone wants to go to the gym steam room and see you having sex. The owners of the gym asked for it to stop and it didn't so they closed it.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:52 pm to cwill
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What is your point with this nonsense? It appears all you ever do is justify bad behavior by social cons by pointing to bad behavior of leftist busy bodies. Is that it for you? Your a big gov fan but just not this brand of big gov?
Not to speak for him, but it seems pretty obvious that his poor with this is the same as the OP. The religious right gets all te blame for "legislating morality", which they aren't the only culprit. Our government will continue to do so until both sides of it are recognized.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:54 pm to los angeles tiger
So this has what to do with the religious right and their overreach?
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