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re: The Regime invokes wartime powers to fund electric heaters
Posted on 11/24/23 at 9:03 am to thebigmuffaletta
Posted on 11/24/23 at 9:03 am to thebigmuffaletta
The government needs to stay the hell out of our cars, heating/cooling systems, clothes washers, dishwashers, toilets, and shower heads.
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Posted on 11/24/23 at 9:04 am to Diamondawg
Heat pumps use so much electricity.
I put in a system last May and was going to use a heat pump since the federal government was going to give me 2,000 dollars back but it used so much electricity they were going to have to run more electricity to my house at the cost of $6,000.
I put in a system last May and was going to use a heat pump since the federal government was going to give me 2,000 dollars back but it used so much electricity they were going to have to run more electricity to my house at the cost of $6,000.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 9:18 am to BigMob
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sounds like we are engulfed in socialism.
Actually, it's full on fascism. Private ownership of businesses with the government dictating what they may and may not manufacture or market. This is 100% a fascist economic system.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 9:22 am to HeadSlash
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Where the frick do these morons think electricity from?
The socket on the wall.
Truth
Posted on 11/24/23 at 9:38 am to BigMob
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Ok for south will not cut it in northeast
They’ll still vote for the decrepit fool
And the RNC will still sit on their hands and not attack with the proper messaging to remind them what their vote is getting them. Reminding them that they can bitch at the local diner all they want, but they are doing it to themselves.
Anyone have an idea if there is anything the House can do to slow this kind of thing down? Seems like it's similar to the border wall situation under Trump, where he found money and the Dems went crazy.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 9:40 am to thebigmuffaletta
This is economic warfare.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 9:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Along with retooling auto factories, sounds like we are headed toward socialism.
Ugh, agree. Federal/centralized control of the market under the paper-thin excuse of "national security" is disgusting.
But, just to stir the pot, how many of you bought into that idea when Trump did it to prop up the steel industry?
Posted on 11/24/23 at 9:45 am to thebigmuffaletta
Don't forget this is coupled with 2 new(ish) mandates from the EPA that make this even more stupid.
1. Increased efficiency/SEER ratings mandated Jan. 1st (16 SEER?)
2. More eco-friendly freons.
So the AC basically compresses and then releases causing expansion of the freon (latent heat of vaporization). Reverse cycle heat pumps compresses the freon causing a rise in temperature (PV=znRT) and uses this to heat air passing over the coils.
The problem lies in these new freons require more compression for the same heat which means you run the compressor (more). At the same time they have mandated more "effeciency", which SEER is from the BTU aspect, not the electrical usage aspect which one might think. This means to be more "BTU effecient" the box the manufactures are in requires even more compression to get the most out of the BTU from compression. That's more electrical usage. The only solution they cam up with is variable speed compressors.
Now, at the same time you have to have that freon in a gaseous state to compresses to get that rise in heat from PV=znRT. Which means heat strips to both defrost and vaporize the less effecient freon ("emergency heat" on your thermostat - it comes on anyway when you start a heat pump in heat mode so quit messing with it). That means even more electricity right there to even start the process.
Considering that electricity is primarily generated by fossil fuels no matter how you parse it, then transmitted (with losses), and then used at a rate far and above historical rates and then used less efficiently (see above) to produce less heat you would be better off if you just lit that same fossil fuel on fire yourself.
1. Increased efficiency/SEER ratings mandated Jan. 1st (16 SEER?)
2. More eco-friendly freons.
So the AC basically compresses and then releases causing expansion of the freon (latent heat of vaporization). Reverse cycle heat pumps compresses the freon causing a rise in temperature (PV=znRT) and uses this to heat air passing over the coils.
The problem lies in these new freons require more compression for the same heat which means you run the compressor (more). At the same time they have mandated more "effeciency", which SEER is from the BTU aspect, not the electrical usage aspect which one might think. This means to be more "BTU effecient" the box the manufactures are in requires even more compression to get the most out of the BTU from compression. That's more electrical usage. The only solution they cam up with is variable speed compressors.
Now, at the same time you have to have that freon in a gaseous state to compresses to get that rise in heat from PV=znRT. Which means heat strips to both defrost and vaporize the less effecient freon ("emergency heat" on your thermostat - it comes on anyway when you start a heat pump in heat mode so quit messing with it). That means even more electricity right there to even start the process.
Considering that electricity is primarily generated by fossil fuels no matter how you parse it, then transmitted (with losses), and then used at a rate far and above historical rates and then used less efficiently (see above) to produce less heat you would be better off if you just lit that same fossil fuel on fire yourself.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 9:49 am to BigMob
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They’ll still vote for the decrepit fool
Saw NJ Governor trying executive order for NJ to be all electric car by 2035. Also they are absolutely coming for our natural gas.
I need to get out of here
Not sure where
Posted on 11/24/23 at 9:52 am to Diamondawg
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hey still can't be as efficient as NG.
They're not as effective as natural gas; efficiency depends on the outside temps. Unless you go geothermal they're a horrible idea outside of the south.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 9:58 am to ImJustaBoy
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In the south, my electric heat pump works fine for this climate, I’m sure in the north, with actual winters, it’s worthless.
In NYC, it costs between 4 and 5 times more to heat with electric than gas. The only good news in that is that the idiots pushing this BS are going to pay a big political price for the stupidity of sacrificing consumers on the alter of the climate change hoax.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 9:58 am to Flats
It almost feels like we are all in on electric as a means of control
Tinfoil hat time electricity and water will be rationed
Tinfoil hat time electricity and water will be rationed
Posted on 11/24/23 at 10:02 am to CAD703X
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Natural gas is a cheap clean plentiful fuel source
The gas itself is cheap but the fees from natural gas companies are ridiculous. I used $10 in gas last month. My bill was over $60 because of company fees.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 10:03 am to thelawnwranglers
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Ok for south will not cut it in northeast
Heat pumps are less efficient than DX units in the cooling season.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 10:08 am to thelawnwranglers
quote:- do you have a choice of who you use for electricity?
It almost feels like we are all in on electric as a means of control
Tinfoil hat time electricity and water will be rationed
- does that provider get govt. money?
- is that provider a partner with the govt on projects such as transmission lines, nuclear, and/or hydroelectric dams (public waterway/Corp of Engineers)?
- got a smart meter?
You bet you arse it is about control. Want to prepare food? Nope. Want to not freeze to death? Only if you do what DC wants. Want to charge that car so you can flee? Uh, no. Want access to information? Hell naw, not on our internet- router don't work so good does it.
And anybody who says but but but these are private companies it's not the govt... I give you DHS/FBI and Twitter. And that's for Amendment #1 enshrined; you don't have an enshrined right for electricity.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 10:42 am to CAD703X
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Natural gas is a cheap clean plentiful fuel source.
Therefore let's destroy it.
and hope it never goes below 32 degF when the heat pump quits working
Heat strips? well they are almost as idiotic as EV's
Posted on 11/24/23 at 11:15 am to TigerVespamon
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The government needs to stay the hell out of our cars, heating/cooling systems, clothes washers, dishwashers, toilets, and shower heads.
And lightbulbs!!!!
Posted on 11/24/23 at 11:49 am to thebigmuffaletta
This is really stupid.
NG is abundant, relatively cheap as far as energy goes, and is very efficient and safe for home heating.
The emissions from your NG furnace amount to about nothing compared to other fossil fuel emissions.
NG is abundant, relatively cheap as far as energy goes, and is very efficient and safe for home heating.
The emissions from your NG furnace amount to about nothing compared to other fossil fuel emissions.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 11:56 am to thebigmuffaletta
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electric heaters
One EMP away from freezing to death.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 11:57 am to BigJim
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Ugh, agree. Federal/centralized control of the market under the paper-thin excuse of "national security" is disgusting.
If only we had a political body designed to make these kinds of decisions without outsourcing them to unelected bureaucrats and their administrative puppets.
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