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re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine

Posted on 4/8/22 at 9:45 am to
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42756 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 9:45 am to
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You have an option of being BS'sd.
US government just yesterday admitted to putting out false info to "prevent" Russia from doing things.

And guess what, NBC reported it.

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We've had 3 years of Russian collusion investigation to bring down a fairly elected US President and then the media in conspiracy covered up for his corrupt opponent to not shed light on the story that ended up being true by calling it "Russian disinformation".


True, the msm failed the Republic. No doubt about it.

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Russia has only state-sponsored media, but I can't say if it's any worse- at least Russians know they're getting bullshite instead of it being disguised as "balanced news" and "fact-checked".


We have options, they do not.
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 9:49 am to
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It’s not close. In Russia there is no option. Here you have options.





All of the mainstream media lies in this country.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98960 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 9:49 am to
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True, the msm failed the Republic. No doubt about it.



Yet you and the ot believe everything they say now
Posted by dr90210
Member since Apr 2022
245 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 9:50 am to
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Yesterday you were "90% sure" Bucha was a false flag. You repped journalists trying to pin the start of the war on a false flag. Today the false flag is a train station.

Tomorrow it will be something else.

You're repping propaganda. We get it.


Clearly Bucha didn't get the traction Ukraine hoped for. What can I say, cooler and clearer heads prevailed.

You probably heard an expression that first casualty of war is the truth.

I guess I just have no trust in Western media(specifically the alphabet networks) and draw my conclusions based on actual visual evidence and sources that present them. I have no problem walking back anything if evidence comes forth proving me wrong.

Yesterday US admitted to putting out false information to "deter" Russia. They were spoonfeeding public bullshite to move the narrative and openly bragged about it. And they call it "foreign policy". Nah, that's propaganda.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11915 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 9:52 am to
That sounds like an admission, baw. We're getting somewhere.
Posted by nopants
Luling, La
Member since Aug 2006
893 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 9:53 am to
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We have options, they do not.


Ahh yes, welcome to the USA media restaurant, can we interest you in our specials today?

We have blue flavored bullshite with our special house made pandering sauce delivered at max volume for $3.50

We also have red flavored bullshite with our special house made "We'll totally get them after the NEXT election" sauce delivered in a respectful, somber tone for $3.50

So which flavor of bullshite would you like today sir?
Posted by dr90210
Member since Apr 2022
245 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 9:53 am to
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We have options, they do not.


You know who also doesn't have media options? Ukraine. Zelensky regime controls all the media now.

Oh, and they banned any opposition parties.

Muh democracy in Ukraine.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-president-volodymyr-zelensky-combines-222313241.html
This post was edited on 4/8/22 at 9:59 am
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42756 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 9:55 am to
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The SS-21 Scarab (Russian name: 9M79 "Tochka") is a Russian-made short-range ballistic missile. In the late 1960s, the Russian decided to start the process of developing a guided successor to the unguided artillery rocket known to the West as the FROG-7, and the result was the 9M79 Tochka (SS-21 Scarab). The Tochka-U is an improved version of the Tochka using a new missile propellant to increase the range to 120 km and an improved CEP (Circular Error Probable) to less than 95 m. The improved Scarab B (Tochka-U) passed state tests from 1986 to 1988 and was introduced in 1989. This mobile missile launcher unit was developed in 1972 and in 1973 it entered service in the Soviet armed forces with infantry and armored regiments. The SS-21 is designed to effectively defeat critical targets in the tactical depth of the enemy battle formation, as nuclear strike means, missile launch positions, airfields, command posts, anti-aircraft units, artillery batteries, and other small-size targets. The vehicle crew compartment is in the forward section and the missile compartment behind. During transport, the missile is enclosed with the warhead in a temperature-controlled casing.


I know nothing about rockets, but I can google and I learned that Tochka-U was developed in Russia. It’s not unique to the Ukraine.
But being a rocket expert, I am sure you knew that already.
This post was edited on 4/8/22 at 9:58 am
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11915 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 9:56 am to
Nope. They banned all pro-Putin parties.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42756 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 9:57 am to
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Ahh yes, welcome to the USA media restaurant, can we interest you in our specials today?

We have blue flavored bullshite with our special house made pandering sauce delivered at max volume for $3.50

We also have red flavored bullshite with our special house made "We'll totally get them after the NEXT election" sauce delivered in a respectful, somber tone for $3.50

So which flavor of bullshite would you like today sir?

Yes, we can read what we want. We can have it rare, medium or well done. In Russia all you get is red meat.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98960 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 9:57 am to
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Nope. They banned all pro-Putin parties.





yup just like the steele dossier
Posted by Hog on the Hill
AR
Member since Jun 2009
13494 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 9:59 am to
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I know nothing about rockets, but I can google and I learned that Tochka-U was developed in Russia. It’s not unique to the Ukraine.
But bring a rocket expert, I am sure you knew that already.
Iskanders are new and before they entered service, Tochka-U was what Russia had. So any claims that only Ukraine has them are complete bullshite. When Russia runs low on Iskanders (could already have happened) or whenever they want a veil of plausible deniability for when they hit civilians, they'll use Tochka-U missiles.
Posted by dr90210
Member since Apr 2022
245 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 10:03 am to
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Nope. They banned all pro-Putin parties.


Sweet coolaid.
So Zely combined all the media outlets to control the information and banned all "pro-Putin", whatever that means, parties. Some democracy.

Are you seeing how absurd the argument over Ukraine being this beacon of democracy now sounds? Not to mention they rank the most corrupt nation in Europe along with Russia.
This post was edited on 4/8/22 at 10:04 am
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42756 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 10:06 am to
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I know nothing about rockets, but I can google and I learned that Tochka-U was developed in Russia. It’s not unique to the Ukraine.
But bring a rocket expert, I am sure you knew that already.
Iskanders are new and before they entered service, Tochka-U was what Russia had. So any claims that only Ukraine has them are complete bullshite. When Russia runs low on Iskanders (could already have happened) or whenever they want a veil of plausible deniability for when they hit civilians, they'll use Tochka-U missiles.


As I suspected. Thanks for backing up my hunch.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11915 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 10:06 am to
You have a problem banning parties that support a foreign leader leading an invasion of your country?

You're repping a country with a dictator that has ZERO meaningful opposition.

Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11915 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 10:07 am to
It's a Soviet rocket. They expect us to think Russia doesn't have them?
This post was edited on 4/8/22 at 10:08 am
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 10:08 am to
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Nope. They banned all pro-Putin parties.



Damn, Ukraine is banning parties!

Sounds like something China, Russia and Middle Eastern countries would do.
Posted by dr90210
Member since Apr 2022
245 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 10:09 am to
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Iskanders are new and before they entered service, Tochka-U was what Russia had. So any claims that only Ukraine has them are complete bull shite. When Russia runs low on Iskanders (could already have happened) or whenever they want a veil of plausible deniability for when they hit civilians, they'll use Tochka-U missiles.


Everything Ukraine has from Soviet days was Russian engineered. Obviously.

We can speculate if Russia has the supply of any Tochka-U and if they are using it, but it would be speculation. We know for a fact Ukraine's military actively uses them, while there only have been rumored use of leftover stock of TU's by Russia.

What we can know is where the booster landed and where the explosion occurred.
This post was edited on 4/8/22 at 10:11 am
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11915 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 10:15 am to
In medicine, we have a saying that if you hear the sound of hoofbeats outside, expect to see a horse, not a zebra. Common things are common and rare things are rare,

In a war with Russia, your enemy striking your infrastructure and killing your civilians is the horse (Russian false flag narratives are too). Actual false flags are the zebra.
This post was edited on 4/8/22 at 10:19 am
Posted by iwasnevergivenaname
Member since Apr 2022
10 posts
Posted on 4/8/22 at 10:29 am to
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Fox claims it's Russia, or at least says the mayor is saying it's a Russian missile.
This post was edited on 4/8/22 at 10:35 am
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