re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine

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Ummmmm, i can't even Timmy....you're telling me the literal Russian propoganda feed controlled by the state of Russia is reliable and not filled with propoganda?

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It's not like our media is any better. Getting objective information out of a war zone is damn hard.

For now take everything you hear from their side, add it to our what you hear from our side, and divide by two.

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They have already won in some respects. Their entire military complex is largely destroyed. That’s probably why they took it off the negotiations. Now, I think Russ wants to destroy Azov. I believe they will take leadership prisoners after they move in to Kiev while they wait on more forces. They may end up leaving western Ukraine alone after all this is over. But they have to know the US will be right back there within a few years setting up shop again, so that makes me think Russia may take the whole thing, but we will see

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Russia wanted to win invade and force Zelensky to flee then Russia could use him fleeing as a reason to impeach him and the pro-Russian members of the Rada would go along with it. They would then hold rigged elections and elect Yankovich or another Russian puppet as president. They were also planning on a quick victory with little damage. Russia planned on being able to convince the Ukrainian army to lay down their weapons and then keep the people in check once the new government is in place. This would also allowed Russia to achieve its goals and get Ukraine in check before the effects of the sanctions kicked in. Russia could have then negotiated a settlement with a puppet Ukraine and then there would be no reasons for the sanctions. However, the Ukrainian army did not lay down its arms and the idea of a quick victory or a victory without any damage is dead. Russia is going to have to destroy all of or at least major parts of Mariupol, Sumy, Odessa, Kharkhiv, and Kyiv. Any pro-Russian puppet government will not have the support of the Ukrainian people so Russia will have to keep troops in Ukraine as an occupation force. That will be expensive in addition to the costs of rebuilding Ukraine. Russia cannot afford either or those. That is assuming that Putin is able to hold onto power and keep the Russian economy from collapsing until after they destroy eastern Ukraine. So Russia might destroy Ukraine but it is going to lose in the end. It is just a matter of time.

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Now some of these countries are in NATO because they wanted to be in.

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It’s politics. It’s done through pressure, coercion, blackmail, threats, money, or whatever other shady crap we see happen in this country. The US is hell bent on expanding their influence through their massive power

My whole deal is to shred the bs coming from our corrupt politicians and the media’s propaganda, most of which is to protect these corrupt politicians. Politicians are completely out of control. The media is running cover for all of them, and collectively they are all getting rich as hell selling out the country and its people. Putin is a thug, but I hate everything I just talked about far more. The disdain I have for media is bordering on unhealthy. I blame them for all of the chaos and destruction that’s been happening for the last 10 years. If they just held politicians accountable we wouldn’t be in the ridiculous mess we are in now, across the board on every major topic that is destroying this country. Every one of these frickers is getting more and more emboldened. It’s a free for all of corruption.

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Russia planned on being able to convince the Ukrainian army to lay down their weapons and then keep the people in check once the new government is in place. This would also allowed Russia to achieve its goals and get Ukraine in check before the effects of the sanctions kicked in. Russia could have then negotiated a settlement with a puppet Ukraine and then there would be no reasons for the sanctions. However, the Ukrainian army did not lay down its arms and the idea of a quick victory or a victory without any damage is dead.

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Too early to see if the Ukrainian army lays down its arms without an urban fight. Russians are isolating major cities and leaving humanitarian corridors open. Anyone including troops can exit the corridor but none can leave with heavy weapons. Once cities are isolated, lack of food and ammo is a major motivator for laying down weapons, abandoning unit and leaving via humanitarian corridors. It is too soon to see if these tactics will be successful but time will tell. Russians feel these tactics will conquer the cities without heavy urban fighting.

I suspect certain troops such as Azov will not be allowed to use humanitarian corridors.

PS: These are basically same tactics used successfully in Syria. LINK Video describing these tactics.

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I'm smart enough to realize that it is possible to believe that both the MSM and Russian media are BOTH full of shite. Apparently you are incapable of holding two thoughts in your head at the same time

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I’m perfectly capable of that and I stand by my comments that the Ukraine and US side is worse by many factors. 80 percent of what is reported and the rhetoric I see on US media isn’t even close to reality

But how do you know?

It becomes clearer with every post you’re just talking out your arse.

Homeland security is now calling people they deem as spreading misinformation (that changes with the wind), or anything that doesn’t align with government bull shite narratives as terrorists now. Everyone who dissents is a terrorist now

LINK

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But how do you know?

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The "Ghost" plane of Kyiv has destroyed 49 Russian planes.


8:14 AM · Mar 10, 2022

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