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re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted on 12/28/25 at 10:49 am to somethingdifferent
Posted on 12/28/25 at 10:49 am to somethingdifferent
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You consistenly pick out the biblically skeptical position in debated topics. It's pure emotion
Nope, I just use facts, and let the facts determine what is the truth. It’s not hard, but you have to be open-minded and be capable of rational thought.
You guys remind me of Ignatius.
His letter to the Smyrnaeans 3.1:
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For He suffered all these things for us, that we might be saved;
and He truly suffered, even as He also truly raised up Himself;
and after His resurrection He did eat and drink with them, as being in the flesh, although spiritually He was united with the Father.
So some Christians denied Jesus was raised in the flesh. Christians like Paul in fact, who specifically said Jesus’ body was raised not in flesh but in spirit, as what is sown is perishable and what is raised is imperishable. You know the line.
And in Magnesians 11:
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Be fully persuaded concerning the birth and the passion and the resurrection,
which took place in the time of the governorship of Pontius Pilate;
these things were truly and certainly done by Jesus Christ.
So we know there were some Christians who said Jesus was NOT born, NOT killed, and NOT resurrected under Pontius Pilate. Where did they believe all this happened? In heaven of course, just as Paul plainly states in 1 Corinthians 2.
And my favorite Ignatius letter is to the Trallians 9.1–2…
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Be ye deaf therefore, when any man speaketh to you apart from Jesus Christ,
who was of the race of David,
who was the Son of Mary,
who was truly born and ate and drank,
was truly persecuted under Pontius Pilate, was truly crucified and died,
in the sight of beings in heaven and on earth and under the earth.
Takeaways? I’ll help for you simple minded twits. Some Christians claimed Jesus was not a Jewish man, not the son of Mary, not even born, never ate or drank as a person would have to, wasn’t crucified under Pontius Pilate, and wasn’t crucified in site of earthly beings.
Some of your type of polemics against the original religion of the celestial Jesus even made it into the Bible.
Like 2 John 7, whining about other Christians who rejected the idea of Jesus has already come to earth. To those Christians, the coming of Jesus was a future event after his celestial death and resurrection, for the purpose of judging the living and the dead.
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For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.
The “orthodox” Christians who “won” had to write polemics against the Christian sects, like the ones of Paul, who specifically called out the “orthodox” cleverly devised myths of the Jesus on earth.
2 Peter 1:16
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For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
Added bonus: Ignatius of Antioch wrote a shitload of letters, but he never quoted any of the gospels we have today, because they hadn’t been written by the time he lived in the first part of the second century.
You idiots are just as emotional as Ignatius, Irenaeus, Tertullian, and the rest of the “orthodox” church fathers. And then you hypocritically project your faults (faith, gullibility, emotion) onto others. It’s sad.
When you go to church today, and you recite the Nicene-Constantinople creed, think hard about each one of the lines. Each one of those lines sought to establish uniformity in the Roman Christian church in the 4th century.
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We believe in one god
There were some Christians who believed in two, three, or many gods
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begotten, not made, of one essence with the Father
Many Christians believed Jesus was a created being and distinct in essence. It’s in the Bible after all. You guys just shite on the literal text of the Bible because your dogma supersedes it.
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Through him all things were made
Many Christians, perhaps the majority at one point in the second century (Marcionism), believed the evil Yahweh created the world and that Jesus came to rescue us from Yahweh
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he came down from heaven,
Some said he didn’t come down from heaven… he was killed in the heavens by the archons.
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was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became human. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
Many Christians said none of that shite happened. That’s what Ignatius was bitching about in his letters.
So you see, I’m not the one that came up with all your beliefs being a bunch of bullshite. Other Christian groups had already done that over 1600 to 1900 years ago. You’re the emotional irrational ones that can’t see it.
P.S. merry Xmas
P.P.S./ETA: In Ignatius’ letter to the Smyrnaeans Chapter 1 he wrote:
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He was truly born of a virgin, and baptized by John, that all righteousness might be fulfilled by Him.
These are responses to other Christians who denied Jesus was born of a virgin and who denied Jesus was baptized by John”. I forgot to mention that one earlier and it just came to me.
This post was edited on 12/28/25 at 11:09 am
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Posted on 12/28/25 at 11:01 am to FooManChoo
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I believe that governments can make such laws but that they see not necessary. The civil/judicial laws and ceremonial laws were abrogated with the death of Christ and the gospel given to the Gentiles.
That’s beside the point, though. If God commands a thing, it cannot be sin.
There are examples of just war and the death penalty throughout Scripture and they cannot violate the 6th commandment. So, your image is incorrect about those things.
Ah yes, the "Jesus did it so I don't have to" exception.
Except when it suits you of course, then it matters greatly. Actually do anything yourself - not valid. Going to war and killing millions of civilians - justified.
Do you also think Hitler was justified?
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All governments use taxes to fund administration, like paying workers’ salaries.
My point wasn’t to focus on the details of how tax dollars are spent, but to say that the Bible doesn’t treat taxes like theft. Jesus told the tax collector to take only what is owed, for example. So again, the image is wrong about the 8th commandment.
So all taxes are justified under God according to you, even the ones used to kill millions of innocent people and to oppress the people such as Germany during WW2.
And we as a people have a duty to never rebel against our governments, always pay taxes and never question them.
Yeah, bullshite. You get the government you deserve, and people who don't stand up for God and the things that are right will get the terrible governments they deserve.
I guess the US was founded in sin according to you since they rebelled against their own government and refused to pay those taxes.
I would say the opposite, it's our duty to stand up to tyranny.
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It shouldn’t be. The standard is God‘s infallible word, and according to His word, lying is sinful.
But you still vote for them and accept them as such. Allowing them to tax you and have all kinds of control in your life.
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Again, government collecting taxes is not theft, but a standard practice supported by Scripture. They are the ones printing the currency, which was Jesus’ point in asking whose face was on the money before saying to give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar.
Regarding your pictures that violate the 2nd commandment: no, it isn’t the job of the government to take over all care for the poor or the needy, but there isn’t anything inherently sinful in their helping to do so. All Christians still have the obligation to help their neighbors as they have the ability and resources, following the order of loves. Government using taxes to help is not unbiblical in itself.
It's theft. The bible also talks about slavery and those slaves only paid 20%. We are taxed much further in addition to the fractional reserve practices that inflate our money supply and enslave the people via usury.
You are taking your neighbors resources and giving it to other people. That is theft, and you are coveting your neighbors property.
And once again, the agencies listed in the meme do not help others. Our income tax for example is only used to pay the interest on the fake debt given by the money changers.
This post was edited on 12/28/25 at 11:03 am
Posted on 12/28/25 at 12:00 pm to soonerinlOUisiana
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Irrelevant. Now try actually addressing my question, twstwaffle.
Your posts are on the intellectual and emotional level of a 13-year-old. I am not going to waste any more of my precious time responding to you.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 12:14 pm to 3down10
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And in 1969 it would have been easier to go to the moon than to fake it.
And for that same reason, it was impossible for insiders to stage 9-11. Your conspiracy theory fails the common sense test, except perhaps in the minds of incels whose lives revolve around the internet.
This post was edited on 12/28/25 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 12/28/25 at 12:16 pm to 3down10
After Foo wrote…
You forgot to ask him about how when Yahweh commanded David to conduct a census in 2 Samuel 24, and David did exactly what Yahweh commanded, how it was a sin. The scripture calls it out as a sin. And Yahweh killed 70,000 innocent Israelites to punish David for doing exactly as he commanded.
That’ll get Foo’s panties in a bunch for sure. He’ll probably refuse to answer.
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If God commands a thing, it cannot be sin.
You forgot to ask him about how when Yahweh commanded David to conduct a census in 2 Samuel 24, and David did exactly what Yahweh commanded, how it was a sin. The scripture calls it out as a sin. And Yahweh killed 70,000 innocent Israelites to punish David for doing exactly as he commanded.
That’ll get Foo’s panties in a bunch for sure. He’ll probably refuse to answer.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 12:16 pm to TulsaSooner78
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Your posts are on the intellectual and emotional level of a 13-year-old. I am not going to waste any more of my precious time responding to you.
All I’m asking is for you to provide support for your assertions, which you can’t. You are just like the dumb leftist college kids that get humiliated in Charlie Kirk videos.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 1:23 pm to soonerinlOUisiana
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And for that same reason, it was impossible for considers to stage 9-11. Your conspiracy theory fails the common sense test, except perhaps in the minds of incels whose lives revolve around the internet.
You're very bad at logic.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 1:38 pm to weagle1999
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Ironically the Muslims are more tolerant of Jesus than the Jews.
This is hardly so. Muslims are tolerant of the Jesus of their own making, not the Jesus of the New Testament as worshipped by Christians. Islam has killed thousands of Christians lately because these Christians refuse to deny the Lord.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 1:49 pm to lepdagod
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Is it ironic???… seeing as Jesus is considered a prophet in Islam
Does it really matter?
The religion didn’t form until 600-700 ad. They can add subtract whoever they want lol.
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Posted on 12/28/25 at 4:44 pm to 3down10
Actually no. The “9-11 was an inside job” people are a bunch of social misfits who live in their parents’ basements, or assisted living residents for whom society no longer has any use.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 10:16 pm to soonerinlOUisiana
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Actually no. The “9-11 was an inside job” people are a bunch of social misfits who live in their parents’ basements, or assisted living residents for whom society no longer has any use.
You need to make up fantasies about people who disagree with you as a means of coping and reassuring yourself.
Common for the collectivist mind as it needs to group people and then assign biased characteristics to the group.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 11:06 pm to 3down10
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You need to make up fantasies about people who disagree with you as a means of coping and reassuring yourself. Common for the collectivist mind as it needs to group people and then assign biased characteristics to the group.
No. I simply haven’t seen a shred of credible evidence to support you frickbrains’ whacko conspiracy theories. All we get is “muh, it’s out there, google it”. You people need to join a gym, or a country club.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:01 am to soonerinlOUisiana
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You people
Can't stop with the collectivism.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 2:33 am to 3down10
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Can't stop with the collectivism.
Well, dumbass kooks who provide no evidence to support their whack job conspiracies do have a collective mentality, and a collective stupidity, so yeah.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 10:24 am to 3down10
quote:That is an application from the teachings of God in the Bible, and since He is the one who created the law, I think it is safe to allow Him to fulfill it.
Ah yes, the "Jesus did it so I don't have to" exception.
The civil and ceremonial laws were applications of the moral law. The moral law is still binding. The civil and ceremonial laws were targeted to the nation state of Israel as a way to separate them from the surrounding nations, provide, governance in the theocracy they held, and point forward to the once-for-all sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
We don’t need a sign pointing the way once we arrive at the destination.
quote:It depends on the war. I didn’t say all actions in war are justified. Biblical principles still apply. Augustine and Aquinas speak well to the concept of “just war theory” if you are interested in that.
Except when it suits you of course, then it matters greatly. Actually do anything yourself - not valid. Going to war and killing millions of civilians - justified.
It sounds like you just disagree with the Bible, though. God allows and even commands war for good reasons.
Do you disagree that war is ever good?
quote:I don’t.
Do you also think Hitler was justified?
quote:Taxes are just taxes. The Bible doesn’t say that paying taxes is ever problematic or sinful in and of itself.
So all taxes are justified under God according to you, even the ones used to kill millions of innocent people and to oppress the people such as Germany during WW2.
What you are conflating is the tax with the use of the tax. All governments are responsible to God for how they govern, and if they use taxes (or tariffs, or license fees, etc) for wicked purposes, God will judge that wickedness. But again, it isn’t the tax collection that is necessarily sinful.
quote:I think there are times when rebellion can occur, but it should be lesser magistrates rebelling against greater magistrates, not citizens seeking to overthrow a government on their own. That’s its own topic.
And we as a people have a duty to never rebel against our governments, always pay taxes and never question them.
Regarding taxes, Jesus didn’t question the amount of taxes owed to the government. He merely looked at the coin, saw whose face was on it, and said to give what belongs to Caesar. In theory, if Caesar asked for all of his own money back, he could do so.
quote:I believe Christians should be active in government. Citizens should vote for godly, Christian leaders, and our government should rule according to biblical/christian principles of justice.
Yeah, bullshite. You get the government you deserve, and people who don't stand up for God and the things that are right will get the terrible governments they deserve.
We all sin sin against a holy God—even you—and we all deserve punishment from Him for our sins, including bad and tyrannical leaders. No one deserves anything good from God, even a good government, which is why we are to give thanks to God for His mercy when He doesn’t give us what we deserve.
quote:I think some elements of it like the civilian-led Boston tea party were sinful, but not all aspects of the Revolutionary War were sinful. If the King was acting tyrannically, it was the duty of the lesser magistrates (colonial governors, etc) to rebel and call the people to arms. This did ultimately happen, which legitimized the Revolution.
I guess the US was founded in sin according to you since they rebelled against their own government and refused to pay those taxes.
Citizens can refuse to obey commands from superiors like governments that would cause them to disobey God, but rebellion against the government should be something led by the government, not the people.
quote:I agree, but I believe there are lawful ways to do that and unlawful ways to do that, in terms of obedience to God.
I would say the opposite, it's our duty to stand up to tyranny.
quote:I now vote only for godly leaders, at least as far as I can discern such.
But you still vote for them and accept them as such. Allowing them to tax you and have all kinds of control in your life.
Our leaders have a lot of control over our lives today. According to God’s word, that isn’t necessarily a sinful thing. We are to submit to government and even to masters if we are slaves, except if we are commanded to sin against God. Up until that point, we are to do as God commands of us, which may include a lack of individual liberty. This life is not our final home, any way.
quote:If the currency belongs to the government, then it isn’t theft to require it back from citizens. At least that is what Jesus taught. If you disagree with Jesus on that, I don’t know what else to tell you other than you need to submit to God.
It's theft. The bible also talks about slavery and those slaves only paid 20%. We are taxed much further in addition to the fractional reserve practices that inflate our money supply and enslave the people via usury.
quote:Government employees and leaders can certainly steal and covet, but you are equating taxation with theft on its face, and you are talking about governance of property as coveting on its own, which it isn’t.
You are taking your neighbors resources and giving it to other people. That is theft, and you are coveting your neighbors property.
Question for you: is any taxation not theft in your opinion?
quote:Those agencies serve administrative functions. You might not like that, but the Bible doesn’t teach that governments cannot do administrative work or law-enforcement.
And once again, the agencies listed in the meme do not help others. Our income tax for example is only used to pay the interest on the fake debt given by the money changers.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 11:56 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:I don’t refuse to answer legitimate and sincere questions. You are a fraud and only care about the destruction of the truth. Your attacks are only sincere in that you sincerely don’t care about the answer to such questions, because when a sufficient answer provided, you are the one who goes silent on the matter and you pivot to the next attack.
You forgot to ask him about how when Yahweh commanded David to conduct a census in 2 Samuel 24, and David did exactly what Yahweh commanded, how it was a sin. The scripture calls it out as a sin. And Yahweh killed 70,000 innocent Israelites to punish David for doing exactly as he commanded.
That’ll get Foo’s panties in a bunch for sure. He’ll probably refuse to answer.
Not for your sake, but for others, I’ll explain to you what your intellectual and academic self failed to investigate on your own.
The paradox is solved by understanding the difference in causes, and understanding God’s sovereignty over His creation.
Just like in the book of Job, God as the first cause used Satan as a secondary cause to incite David to sin. Satan implants the thought to take down God’s chosen seevant, and David in his own hubris carries out the census for his own glory. Back then, a census was done to count what belonged to the king, yet the people of Israel belonged to God, not to David.
David’s census, also was focused on the fighting men, which indicates he was not trusting in God but in the size of his army.
God had previously commanded a temple tax to be collected by everyone included in a census to show that they belonged to God (Ex 30), yet there is no indication that David exacted such a tax. God judged Israel for David’s disobedience and his haughtiness before God.
God did not command David directly, but the passage in 2 Samuel is explaining God’s secret will that sovereignly worked towards punishment for sin. Satan tempted David, David gave in to temptation and sinned. David even acknowledged his sin against God, which he wouldn’t have done if God had commanded David directly.
You are free to stop with your baseless attacks against your creator at any time. You are merely heaping up additional judgment upon yourself with each attack.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:07 pm to soonerinlOUisiana
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Well, dumbass kooks who provide no evidence to support their whack job conspiracies do have a collective mentality, and a collective stupidity, so yeah.
Because I'm not wasting my time on you. If you actually cared about the topic you would research and want to know for yourself.
You're obviously a MSM brainwashed idiot and the only way you will accept anything is if you hear it from the MSM.
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:09 pm to FooManChoo
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That is an application from the teachings of God in the Bible, and since He is the one who created the law, I think it is safe to allow Him to fulfill it.
The civil and ceremonial laws were applications of the moral law. The moral law is still binding. The civil and ceremonial laws were targeted to the nation state of Israel as a way to separate them from the surrounding nations, provide, governance in the theocracy they held, and point forward to the once-for-all sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
We don’t need a sign pointing the way once we arrive at the destination.
Blah blah blah.
Government is what has replaced God. People have rejected God and replaced him with Government.
This post was edited on 12/29/25 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:19 pm to 3down10
quote:No refutation? No debate? I thought you would at least explain why I’m wrong from your infinite knowledge and wisdom granted by your personal interaction with God.
Blah blah blah.
quote:Many have, sure. That’s why I’m attempting to explain the proper role of government and the place of the citizen based on God’s Word rather than mere opinions and preferences.
Government is what has replaced God. People have rejected God and replaced him with Government.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 1:08 pm to 3down10
Ok, so where’s the actual evidence?
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