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The Most Expensive Mile of Subway Track on Earth
Posted on 12/29/17 at 9:14 am
Posted on 12/29/17 at 9:14 am
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Good NYT article on why subway (and any infrastructure) construction in NYC costs so much more than the rest of the world. Unfortunately the answers won't really surprise you.
Good NYT article on why subway (and any infrastructure) construction in NYC costs so much more than the rest of the world. Unfortunately the answers won't really surprise you.
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 9:22 am to DavidTheGnome
agreed... good article. And only a few surprises. These people really should be in charge of healthcare.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 9:37 am to DavidTheGnome
And politicians and citizens in NY wonder why their taxes have to be so high.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 9:40 am to JPinLondon
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agreed... good article
This is what true investigative journalism is. In this case they're going after politicians and groups commonly aligned with the Democratic party (which most media types support).
Sadly, they will then turn around and endorse those same politicians in any race against a Republican, simply because they can't stand to see a Republican win a race.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 9:43 am to DavidTheGnome
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Asked about The Times’s findings, union leaders and construction executives insisted that no money had been wasted.
Ssssuuuuurrree
This post was edited on 12/29/17 at 9:47 am
Posted on 12/29/17 at 9:44 am to DavidTheGnome
Read that article before getting out of bed this morning. At which point the French are incredulous at your building/labor costs, you dun goofed 
Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:22 am to DavidTheGnome
fricking paywall 
Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:24 am to DavidTheGnome
And these people want me to feel sorry for them because things are so expensive. This crap is just one of the many reasons things are so expensive but people choose to overlook that fact.
I can't stand when these people vote in the corrupt politicians who grease the palms of their friends using taxpayer money then bitch about it. Then they move to lower tax states and bring their fricked up mentality with them. They will vote for the same liberal hacks they just left and frick up another state.
Keep your dumb butts up there and clean up your own crap and leave the rest of us in peace.
I can't stand when these people vote in the corrupt politicians who grease the palms of their friends using taxpayer money then bitch about it. Then they move to lower tax states and bring their fricked up mentality with them. They will vote for the same liberal hacks they just left and frick up another state.
Keep your dumb butts up there and clean up your own crap and leave the rest of us in peace.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:26 am to Bard
Incognito Mode 
Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:28 am to DavidTheGnome
I always thought naming one of the money pits in Boston, produced during the Big Dig fiasco, after Tip O'Neil was fitting.
Every time a Bostonian drives through Tip O'Neil Tunnel they can be reminded this is where we buried all that money.
Every time a Bostonian drives through Tip O'Neil Tunnel they can be reminded this is where we buried all that money.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:29 am to DavidTheGnome
Without even clicking the link, I am going to guess: unions. Am I right?
Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:35 am to CorporateTiger
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quote: Asked about The Times’s findings, union leaders and construction executives insisted that no money had been wasted.
Ssssuuuuurrree
This coming from the people who got rich off these contracts.
"There's nothing to see here....".
Where is the oversight?
Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:43 am to DavidTheGnome
200 extra jobs at $200k per year would be $40m per year. They are asking why the project costs billions more than a project in Paris. Employment costs aren't the problem.
Maybe it is because they are tunneling through the most densely developed part of the most densely developed island on Earth?
Maybe it is because they are tunneling through the most densely developed part of the most densely developed island on Earth?
Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:44 am to mmcgrath
Lol if them baws are making $200k they are being billed at double that. Add in the conglomerates of consultants and it’s easy to get into the billions.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:48 am to jamboybarry
quote:They aren't. I was using a figure they would likely be billed at. But even double doesn't dent the costs. You are right with the side consultants, especially on the design side. It's tough to argue against extra planning in that area, but I have seen million dollar renovation designs for a park bathroom.
Lol if them baws are making $200k they are being billed at double that. Add in the conglomerates of consultants and it’s easy to get into the billions.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:51 am to DavidTheGnome
Meanwhile a good amount of the comments blame Trump
You know it has nothing to do with New York City being run 100% by Democrats and unions
You know it has nothing to do with New York City being run 100% by Democrats and unions
Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:51 am to mmcgrath
In NYC if they’re a crane operator or TBM operator they probably make that or more. I don’t know the labor standard wages up there but know they’re ridiculous.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:58 am to mmcgrath
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Maybe it is because they are tunneling through the most densely developed part of the most densely developed island on Earth?
Hong Kong has an incredible subway system and is more dense, Tokyo also. London has one and they have to into account thousands of years of artifacts under the surface. I’m not saying it’s not going to be expensive, but there’s no reason for it to be 4+ times as expensive as anywhere else in the world that faces the same problems.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 11:58 am to mmcgrath
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200 extra jobs at $200k per year would be $40m per year. They are asking why the project costs billions more than a project in Paris. Employment costs aren't the problem.
Maybe it is because they are tunneling through the most densely developed part of the most densely developed island on Earth?
You didn't bother reading the article did you?
Posted on 12/29/17 at 12:40 pm to DavidTheGnome
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or nearly $3.5 billion for each new mile of track — seven times the average elsewhere in the world.
Business in New York. Lots of palms have to be greased.
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