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re: The Metro Council declared war on the unincorporated area tonight
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:33 pm to Asgard Device
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:33 pm to Asgard Device
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So you support private entities like the Mall of Louisiana getting to determine their own future? Cool!
Really ok with that. However, what if a business in Baton Rouge decides it wants to be a part of SG, would you support that as well? What about homeowners, can they choose what municipality they want to join as well?
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Aren't people in support of St George trying to punish them if they don't pay into THEIR coffers?
Who are you talking about? People are going to pay taxes somewhere right? The people of SG are wanting to determine their on fate. Why not let them vote on it.
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:33 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Why does a newly formed group of private citizens who joined together from a very small area which originally did not include the Mall all of a sudden "deserve" or feel entitled to the tax revenue that the mall produces?
I was trying to figure out where you were coming from. I thought you were making a value judgement about who was deserving of the tax revenue.
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Do you understand how the EBR Consolidated Government works?
If the Mall of Louisiana stays unincorporated, the sales taxes go to the City-Parish Budget.
If the Mall of Louisiana is annexed into the City Limits of Baton Rouge, the sales taxes go to the City-Parish Budget.
If the Mall of Louisiana is incorporated into St. George, the local sales taxes go ONLY to the St. George city limits.
I assumed the sales taxes collected in incorporated Baton Rouge were kept separate from the sales taxes collected in unincorporated EBRP. And, since the net revenue flows from the parish fund to the city fund (not the other way around), I was trying to figure out how you were making the case that the unincorporated area was going to benefit from those taxes. Maybe I'm missing something or just missing your point.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:33 pm to novabill
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Why not let the people decide what THEY want?
They did. They wanted a City-Parish government and wanted that government to have the power to annex unincorporated areas of the Parish into the City.
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Let's be honest BR wants SG money that is the only reason. THE ONLY REASON.
Whoa! A city-parish government wants the sales tax revenues within its borders! How selfish!
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:35 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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and they should be able to decided if they want to be a part of a new city or not. They chose.
The mall but not the people of SG?
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:38 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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t totally amazes me how these SG people have been brainwashed into this City of SG vs City of BR thing. It's like they don't understand it doesn't work like that when BR is a consolidated government with EBR.
For me it is about freedom and democracy. Let the people vote.
Amazes me that you want to deny people the right to vote because Baton Rouge may lose some money. $$ over choice.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:38 pm to novabill
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Really ok with that. However, what if a business in Baton Rouge decides it wants to be a part of SG, would you support that as well? What about homeowners, can they choose what municipality they want to join as well?
Sure, so long as it is contiguous why not support it if you're for incorporation of SG? Give the power to the people, right?
I mean it's not like the hand of God made the boundaries of Baton Rouge and St George. They're wiggly, arbitrary boundaries that are the result of property owners opting in or out of the City.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:41 pm to novabill
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Amazes me that you want to deny people the right to vote because Baton Rouge may lose some money. $$ over choice.
You think a vote should be held every time a politician has an idea? You have to gain signatures on a petition. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
If you're not voting it's because there wasn't enough valid signatures.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:53 pm to Asgard Device
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Give the power to the people, right?
Has been my point all along.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:54 pm to Asgard Device
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You think a vote should be held every time a politician has an idea? You have to gain signatures on a petition. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
If you're not voting it's because there wasn't enough valid signatures.
Again, good with this.
But opposed to those that are against allowing the people the opportunity to vote.
You support the people's right to vote if they can the signatures?
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:02 am to novabill
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Why not let the people decide what THEY want?
you see, in America, we elect people to represent our interests and interests of the greater good.
Despite what your hack "leaders" say, you have never been denied anything. You ELECTED school board leaders to represent you on school system matters.
The council members voted on the matter at hand. St George doesn't exist, and a petition isn't real until it has the signatures and is turned in. They made the right decision. Props to Joel Boe today, because he has probably received multiple death threats by now. What he did took guts.
It troubles me that the separatists feel they represent the opinions of all the unincorporated area, and selling a no-brainer option. I am thankful that 85% of the people in unincorporated BR are not like the ones who have been crawling out supporting this effort.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:05 am to Lloyd Christmas
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I am thankful that 85% of the people in unincorporated BR are not like the ones who have been crawling out supporting this effort.
85%?
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:06 am to novabill
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You support the people's right to vote if they can the signatures?
How long do you propose that an entire parish should be held hostage for this? It has been what, a year? If this was such a great idea, the necessary signatures would have been collected in a month.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:10 am to moneyg
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I assumed the sales taxes collected in incorporated Baton Rouge were kept separate from the sales taxes collected in unincorporated EBRP. And, since the net revenue flows from the parish fund to the city fund (not the other way around), I was trying to figure out how you were making the case that the unincorporated area was going to benefit from those taxes. Maybe I'm missing something or just missing your point.
The accounting done for the city-parish does keep it separate but most of the taxes go into the city/parish general fund. It's one big pot for the entire parish. SG taking the Mall means all those tax dollars are removed from that parish general fund and put into their own SG city fund.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:10 am to novabill
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You support the people's right to vote if they can the signatures?
Sure, why not? There's a reasonable legal framework in place for incorporation. This same framework allows people to join an already incorporated area but obviously has more stringent requirements when it comes to creating new municipalities which is where I think people get confused.
I also support those who want to cut through the sensationalist propaganda and try and be a voice of reason. Also not a fan of "leaders" in North Baton Rouge and generally wish they would STFU. Kip has kept these clowns at bay for a while now and now this St George thing has given these idiots a platform.
eta: but I do think there should be some sort of clock that runs out on these petitions. I'm amazed that there isn't. I mean, a year or two should be sufficient.
This post was edited on 5/15/14 at 12:13 am
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:12 am to moneyg
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85%?
I would love to see the signatures that say otherwise.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:13 am to novabill
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For me it is about freedom and democracy. Let the people vote. Amazes me that you want to deny people the right to vote because Baton Rouge may lose some money. $$ over choice.
Let SG vote. They are saying now that the annexation won't invalidate the petition even after they spread that all over town the past couple weeks.
The people running this SG movement are a joke. Baton Rouge had no choice here but to protect it's and the parishes interest by annexing the mall.
Lionel Rainy and the other SG leaders should have never included the mall without more certainty they wouldn't request to be annexed.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:15 am to Mickey Goldmill
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The accounting done for the city-parish does keep it separate but most of the taxes go into the city/parish general fund.
Can you quantify that and/or link how much city generated sales tax revenue ends up in the parish general fund?
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:16 am to Asgard Device
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I also support those who want to cut through the sensationalist propaganda and try and be a voice of reason. Also not a fan of "leaders" in North Baton Rouge and generally wish they would STFU. Kip has kept these clowns at bay for a while now and now this St George thing has given these idiots a platform.
Amen, if we weren't so busy fighting with each other and electing shitty people in the first place, we have the votes in the council and school board to change this city whatever way we want to, and the NBR "poverty pimps" couldn't do anything about it.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:16 am to moneyg
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Can you quantify that and/or link how much city generated sales tax revenue ends up in the parish general fund?
Will you feel the same way when enough businesses on the boundaries join the city of BR and then "St George" becomes net takers?
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:17 am to Lloyd Christmas
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you see, in America, we elect people to represent our interests and interests of the greater good.
Despite what your hack "leaders" say, you have never been denied anything. You ELECTED school board leaders to represent you on school system matters.
The council members voted on the matter at hand. St George doesn't exist, and a petition isn't real until it has the signatures and is turned in. They made the right decision. Props to Joel Boe today, because he has probably received multiple death threats by now. What he did took guts.
It troubles me that the separatists feel they represent the opinions of all the unincorporated area, and selling a no-brainer option. I am thankful that 85% of the people in unincorporated BR are not like the ones who have been crawling out supporting this effort.
I am confused. Are in support of allowing the people of SG decide their own future if they get the required signatures? Or, are you in favor of anything that will keep SG from becoming a reality?
Read my posts, if 85% of the people reject the idea, then they should not be forced to break away from BR. See how that works, letting the people decide.
I sense you do not want to allow the people to decide because they may just decide to stop supporting Baton Rouge.
As an aside, what happens to the CATS tax if SG becomes a reality. Will SG residents still have to pay the tax?
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