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re: The Medium income Amercan Family now earns 1/2 the income needed to buy the avg home.

Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:48 am to
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:48 am to
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not sure what "point" is even trying to be made here, it's just a fact that housing is simply the most unaffordable its ever been. You can live in a house or not to state that fact, doesnt really matter. Agian, the house we live in would have gone for $300k back in 2020-2021, back when interest rates were 2-3%. Last year our house would have sold, and quickly for $450k-$460k, and with 6-7% interest rates.

You dont see how thats an absolutely insane appreciation in a short amount of time DESPITE rates going up. This is pretty simple math here


The average home sale price in 1980 was just over $76,000. By 1989 that had increased to just under $149,000. That's a longer time frame that the one you posted, but remember that in the 1980s interest rates got as high as 18.6% and were still at almost 10% at their lowest point in 1989.

Oh, and those new houses being built in1980 were on average 40% smaller than the new ones being built today, and the used ones on the market back then were even smaller than that. Bottom line, you get more house for your money now...and that's a direct result of consumer demand. We as consumers chose that.

So considering all the factors, I'm not sure it's really more unaffordable than it's ever been. I think people think that for two reasons:

1. They remember the 90s, and during the 90s it was the most AFFORDABLE it's ever been, at least in modern history. But the 90s were not the baseline. They were an outlier.

2. We have a victim culture now that wasn't nearly as evolved back then and we have social media and the internet and 300 24 hour news channels telling people that things are the worst they've ever been.
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Member since Sep 2012
25507 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:49 am to
I don't even own a car. My wife and I just share a ten year old one. My wife and I both have advanced degrees in stem majors.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:49 am to
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Again, that's not the discussion.
Maybe it's not the discussion for you, but it is for me.

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Why do you refuse to admit this?
I don't agree it is.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:50 am to
Huntsville Alabama.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
41136 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:51 am to
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I don't agree it is.


When you decide to come back to the real world, let us know
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:51 am to
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When you decide to come back to the real world, let us know
when you decide to grow up and come into the real world. Let me know. Deal?
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Member since Sep 2012
25507 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:51 am to
Gotcha. That's not even a major city and you have to live way out.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
4723 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:53 am to
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That's not even a major city and you have to live way out.
67 miles. If you don't like it, don't move there. Point is that it is possible, but sacrifices have to be made. What does "major" get you that "minor" doesn't?
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:53 am to
Jobs? My wife works for a major architecture firm. They only have locations in large cities.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477263 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:54 am to
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If they are not willing to sacrifice. Do without.


We are discussing how they have to sacrifice more than you did to get the same opportunities (within the realm of sacrifice).

Why do you find it so hard to admit this?

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You can do it. You can't do it exactly where you want to do it, while having new cars, going out to eat every night, owning the latest/greatest electronics and spending your spare time playing video games.



That isn't the question.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
41136 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:54 am to
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Gotcha. That's not even a major city and you have to live way out.


Just look around that area at houses under $200k. I think his definition of fixer upper is a bit strained
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
41136 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:55 am to
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when you decide to grow up and come into the real world. Let me know. Deal?


Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477263 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:56 am to
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Maybe it's not the discussion for you, but it is for me.

Yes you want to just repeat generic talking points and strawman arguments. That's exactly why I had to redirect you to the actual conversation.

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I don't agree it is.

Based on what, exactly? Use math/data, please, not some generic talking point or a straw man.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
4723 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:56 am to
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My wife works for a major architecture firm.
That ought to pay pretty well. If it doesn't, change careers. My wife is a kindergarten teacher, makes 62K or so for 9 months a year. I commute 67 miles, but make 100K+
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Member since Sep 2012
25507 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:57 am to
Well at least the job market isn't completely flooded and Trump hates H1Bs. Oh wait.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
4723 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:57 am to
Roses are Red
Violets are Blue
I've got 5 fingers
And this middle one is for YOU
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Member since Sep 2012
25507 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:57 am to
It does pay pretty well. That's what we are all saying. Even then it's not enough.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477263 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:58 am to
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That ought to pay pretty well. If it doesn't, change careers.

It likely does pay well and what you refuse to understand is that it's not enough in today's market.

And, what career is going to pay more in a more rural area?

Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
4723 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:59 am to
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Even then it's not enough.
Then change careers and move. Sacrifices. You both become teachers in my area, you'd make120K together and could get a nice modest home for 200K.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
41136 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:00 am to
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Roses are Red
Violets are Blue
I've got 5 fingers
And this middle one is for YOU


Well, that isn't very grown up of you.
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