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re: The media is freaking out over the three million illegally voted comments
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:34 pm to Choupique19
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:34 pm to Choupique19
Holy crap I've never seen THAT video before.
Those smug aholes. Both the chick and the former POTUS. Wow.
Yet now, if we question this....
Those smug aholes. Both the chick and the former POTUS. Wow.
Yet now, if we question this....
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Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:36 pm to mattloc
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6.4% of non citizens voted in 2008, according to a well regarded study. Cooperative Congressional Study Cooperative Congressional Election Study
CCES is conducted by a private polling company called YouGov which, aside from some self-aggrandizing they've done on their own wikipedia page, has no particular reputational value. On the contrary, their methods are questioned due to the fact that ALL of their polling is done online. Also, the link you provided is to a general CCES web page and nowhere on the page is there a link to the study you claim to be citing.
Further, even if this private polling firm (all of whom are idiots, if I'm up to date on the Trump "alternative facts" scorecard) had conducted such a study and had found that 6.4% of non-citizens voted, 6.4% of 20 million (the only figure you provide a citation for) or even 30 million (the number you just pulled out of your arse on the assumption that the illegal alien population grew a whopping 50% in ten years) is not 3-4 million, it's less than 2 million. And even that is only relevant to the 2008 election, which is the one the private polling firm (idiots, remember) supposedly polled for.
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If just 15% voted in this election
Yes, and if there were 3 trillion instead of however many they are, and they all voted 100 times, there would be 300 trillion illegal votes. So fricking what? Did 15% of them vote? You don't have a fricking clue and neither does the Trump alternative facts machine.
So, you've taken numbers you pulled out of your arse, cited a deeply-flawed online study that you didn't link to that didn't even deal with the 2016 election, then more than DOUBLED the supposed "findings" of that 2008 election "study" to come up with your figures that are in line with a specific factual assertion by the Trump administration.
Welcome to the post-truth world of Trump's America.
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:38 pm to Toddy
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Why doesn't he launch an investigation?
Wby should he? It won´t change his situation.
Nevertheless, I´m sure all he has to do corresponds to a hierarchy of importance and necessity. He´ll get to it.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:40 pm to ApexTiger
quote:Seems more plausible than Anthropomorphic Global Warming, and they believe the shite out of that.
Most states do not require an individual to have an ID...
and we have an estimated 16 million undocumented people among us....
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:50 pm to Nuts4LSU
So based on all that, how many illegals do you think voted?
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:58 pm to mattloc
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No ID required to vote at ballot box:
That is not even the right question. You have to be registered to vote.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:58 pm to BamaAtl
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Still going on with your racist thoughts on voter ID?
Yes, but they aren't racist, Mr. Ad hominem.
Of course Voter ID won't prevent voter fraud from illegals because we don't require them to show proof of citizenship when registering or getting an ID. That has to be changed. Proof of citizenship should be required when registering to vote.
Since that study is not to your satisfaction, you prove to me that illegals do not vote. Since proof of citizenship is not required, and ID is not required, what is stopping an illegal from voting?
Posted on 1/24/17 at 4:05 pm to GRTiger
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So based on all that, how many illegals do you think voted?
I have no idea, but I doubt very seriously it was any significant number, since it would be pretty easy to investigate and find out and no motivated Republican AG or other public official has managed to do so.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 4:09 pm to ApexTiger
The media is calling out Trump's own "Fake News". It's a two way street it seems.
It's like Trump wants everyone to question his legitimacy. It's over, he won the election but he can't accept the voting results as fact.
It's like Trump wants everyone to question his legitimacy. It's over, he won the election but he can't accept the voting results as fact.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 4:15 pm to Nuts4LSU
You'd think the dems would be the motivated ones. They lost, and it's not a given that the illegal vote fell to Hillary.
jk
jk
Posted on 1/24/17 at 4:19 pm to tigerinDC09
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So you are saying that someone who is afraid of being deported will risk getting caught voting..
The weekend before the election, Obama was asked this question on Spanish TV and he PLAINLY stated, they would not be arrested or deported.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 4:21 pm to EarthwormJim
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meant Texas voter ID laws. Texas only accepted specific forms of ID in order to vote. That law was recently struck down but it was in effect for this last election.
It wasn't in effect in the election. They allowed alternative documents (utility bill, bank statement) and a declaration that the person couldn't obtain a photo ID to be used to vote.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 4:28 pm to roadGator
they are not freaking out. they are totally delighted.
like sharks to chum.
He lied to cover for losing by 2 million.
If he really thought that, the first agenda item would be to review EVERY SINGLE VOTER in CA, since the claim is now up to 5 million such votes.
Clinton won by less than that.
He does not believe that crap for an instant and no one else in office does either.
like sharks to chum.
He lied to cover for losing by 2 million.
If he really thought that, the first agenda item would be to review EVERY SINGLE VOTER in CA, since the claim is now up to 5 million such votes.
Clinton won by less than that.
He does not believe that crap for an instant and no one else in office does either.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 4:28 pm to USMCTiger03
He is beating them at their own game... lol yes MSM go investigate illegal alien voter fraud... they aren't going to like what they find... he's going to get more done his first month (while the msm chase these idiotic things) then most presidents get done their first term
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 1/24/17 at 4:32 pm to NashvilleTider
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He is beating them at their own game... lol yes MSM go investigate illegal alien voter fraud... they aren't going to like what they find... he's going to get more done his first month (while the msm chase these idiotic things) then most presidents get done their first term
I think he is saying this so that it will lead to an investigation then to a form of voter identification. The more the press beats up on him, the more he will want to win. The more he wants to win, the more he will want to prove them wrong. They are playing right into his hands, it will be interesting to see where this goes.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 4:41 pm to Nuts4LSU
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since it would be pretty easy to investigate and find out
Actually the opposite of that. I don't even know if it's possible in some states because of the way the game has been rigged. The best recourse is to correct it for future elections.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 4:49 pm to CelticDog
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If he really thought that, the first agenda item would be to review EVERY SINGLE VOTER in CA,
Why? It doesn't change anything and would be incredibly expensive, IF it were even feasible.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 5:07 pm to mattloc
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6.4% of non citizens voted in 2008, according to a well regarded study. Cooperative Congressional Study
The Cooperative Congressional Study article on the link you gave does not say that 6.4% of non-citizens voted in 2008
The 6.4% number comes from a 2014 article which says it used Cooperative Congressional Study Data. The article ws written by Richman, Chattha, and Earnest. LINK {page 152}
That article has been debunked by Stephen Ansolabehere, who was in charge of collecting the Cooperative Congressional Study data.
In his article "The Perils of Cherry Picking Low Frequency Events in Large Sample Surveys, Ansolabehere said:
"This paper documents how low-level measurement error for survey questions generally agreed to be highly reliable can lead to large prediction errors in large sample surveys, such as the CCES."
"The example for this analysis is Richman, Chattha, and Earnest (2014), which presents a biased estimate of the rate at which non-citizens voted in recent elections. The results, we show, are completely accounted for by very low frequency measurement error; further, the likely percent of non-citizen voters in recent US elections is 0."
LINK
Posted on 1/24/17 at 5:12 pm to Toddy
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Even Republicans are saying what he's doing is ridiculous. No one is gping to take him seriously. Why doesn't he launch an investigation?
Exactly. 3-5 million illegal votes is a scandlal of epic proportions. You have to investigate that.
But we all know why there will be no investigation.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 5:14 pm to Bullethead88
Funny they're all about proof today. But all we've heard about for 2 months is "Russia, Russia, Russia" without any form of proof.
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