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re: The media is freaking out over the three million illegally voted comments

Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:28 pm to
Posted by AZTarheeel
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:28 pm to
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Cruiserhog


I love how you stay in character all the time. Without you and Hugo this place would be boring as hell.
Posted by ChEgrad
Member since Nov 2012
3876 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:29 pm to
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No facts to support it. Many facts to suggest you're wrong.


Study supporting the 3 million assertion:

LINK

Debunk it please.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35381 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:30 pm to
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This study says the total of illegals voting in 2008 was as high as 2.8 million.
I do not believe they make any claim of the sort.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35381 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:31 pm to
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Study supporting the 3 million assertion:


LINK

Debunk it please.
Please cite where they make any claims of an absolute number.
Posted by Langston
Member since Nov 2010
7685 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:31 pm to
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s this what we want though? A President making unsupported self-serving claims (to say he win the popular vote) to serve as a distraction, rather than actually focusing on an issue, even the issue at hand based in facts?


With the major left leaning media that manipulates every story it's great to see them chase every rabbit he releases.
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I get it during the campaign, but I thought we were going to get a president who focused on substantive things, not purposeful distractions and conjecture.

I believe he is focused and working on substantive things. But whether he is or not, do you seriously think the media would cover it that way? Of course not, they aren't even concerned with it or they wouldn't fall for this trivial shite.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35381 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:35 pm to
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With the major left leaning media that manipulates every story it's great to see them chase every rabbit he releases.
Yeah, but I don't think resorting to the similar tactics we criticize is the right solution.
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I believe he is focused and working on substantive things. But whether he is or not, do you seriously think the media would cover it that way? Of course not, they aren't even concerned with it or they wouldn't fall for this trivial shite.
So because they are focused on trivial things, which is problematic, the solution is to give them trivial things rather than trying to keep it on substance?
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:37 pm to
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The media is freaking out over the three million illegally voted comments



And it's working exactly as Trump intended.

He says outlandish shite like this to get them chase the shiny object while he focuses on the nitty and gritty like todays executive orders.

They keep falling into this trap. It's hilarious but pathetic at the same time.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
66097 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:39 pm to
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Please cite where they make any claims of an absolute number.


please argue that if the number is 1 illegal isn't illegal.

1 is too many.

Posted by Langston
Member since Nov 2010
7685 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:47 pm to
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So because they are focused on trivial things, which is problematic, the solution is to give them trivial things rather than trying to keep it on substance?


You seem to be having trouble understanding how this works.

And I couldn't let this go. Please link a post during the election or since where you ever thought Trump would be these things.
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but I thought we were going to get a president who focused on substantive things


This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 2:48 pm
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35381 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:48 pm to
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please argue that if the number is 1 illegal isn't illegal.

1 is too many.
I agree with you. I support ID laws; I just don't think the solution to a problem is making up claims that focus the discussion on that claim rather than the problem itself.
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 2:49 pm
Posted by Cruiserhog
Little Rock
Member since Apr 2008
10460 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:49 pm to
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It is not hard. It is just simple math and logic;



In 2005 Bear Stearns conducted a study that estimated the number of undocumented aliens in the United States at 20 million. Bear Sterns Report

10 years later, that number is likely closer to 30 million. (Pew Estimates as many as 33 million.)

6.4% of non citizens voted in 2008, according to a well regarded study. Cooperative Congressional Study Cooperative Congressional Election Study


If just 15% voted in this election (with Obama's seeming encouragement) we can extrapolate that as many as 4.5 million undocumented aliens voted this election.

Now the true number may be lower, or higher, but this calculation is based on known facts, and logical deductions derived from those facts.



Ive seen you post this in two other threads...please link one 2016 election study that suggest 3 million illegals voted...your math and assumptions just dont meet the rigors.
Posted by skinny domino
sebr
Member since Feb 2007
14523 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:51 pm to
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The media is freaking out over the three million illegally voted comments by ApexTiger
If I was the POTUS, I would demand an investigation into this horrible news asap. I bet he don't.
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:51 pm to
Well if he had his AG sure

Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
66097 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:55 pm to
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I just don't think the solution to a problem is making up claims that focus the discussion on that claim rather than the problem itself.


who said that was the solution? We are just trying to get some to see this is bigger than social issues.

there would be no discussion on it if the left would let it go. they lost but they gotta try to stir the pot to deflect others attention
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 2:56 pm
Posted by Alabamya
Da Ham
Member since Jan 2009
9179 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:58 pm to
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Well if he had his AG sure



This. If it is there Sessions will look into it . You can take that shite to the bank. Why do you think libs are losing thier shite over him?
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:01 pm to
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Study supporting the 3 million assertion:

LINK

Debunk it please.


1. The study doesn't support that 3M voted, just that a few voted in one election.

2. It's an internet survey

3. They didn't verify voter registration status or voter participation except in a small group, which causes concerns in a subgroup analysis.

4. They didn't verify immigration status

5. It's based off of less than 800 "non-citizen immigrants" About one percent of the respondents in each survey identified themselves as non-citizen immigrants (339 in 2008, 489 in 2010)

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In 2008, thirty eight (11.3%) reported that they voted
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Only five (1.5%) both claimed that they definitely voted and had a validated vote.


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In 2010 thirteen non-citizens (3.5% of respondents to the post-election survey) indicated that they voted.


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the number of non-citizen voters (including both uncertainty based on normally distributed sampling error, and the various combinations of verified and reported voting) could range from just over 38,000 at the very minimum to nearly 2.8 million at the maximum.


Even the maximum they extrapolate from their confidence interval (built off a subgroup analysis of 800 people with less than 50 NATIONWIDE positive responses to their criteria) doesn't reach 3M.

And not all of these would be Democratic votes - the authors estimate only 2/3 voted for a Democratic House candidate, which depresses the number needed to skew the votes even more.


They also debunk your entire argument about voter ID being the solution:

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Our results also suggest that photo-identification requirements are unlikely to be effective at preventing electoral participation by non-citizen immigrants: In 2008, more than two thirds of non-citizen immigrants who indicated that they were asked to show photo-identification reported that they went on to cast a vote.


Still going on with your racist thoughts on voter ID?
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56550 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:04 pm to
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He says outlandish shite like this to get them chase the shiny object while he focuses on the nitty and gritty like todays executive orders.

They keep falling into this trap. It's hilarious but pathetic at the same time.


100% agree...

Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51403 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:06 pm to
Posted by seawolf06
NH
Member since Oct 2007
8159 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:08 pm to
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where did the 3 mil number come from


It's the popular vote gap between Trump and Clinton.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:08 pm to
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