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re: The Latest Rundown on the Mike Flynn Deep State Hit Job

Posted on 2/15/17 at 6:58 pm to
Posted by Sentrius
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Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 6:58 pm to
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So are we supposed to believe these unnamed sources?


Wasn't it unnamed sources that managed to get Flynn fired?

You know that whole goose gander thing.
Posted by UHTiger
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 6:58 pm to
Tl;dr

Cliffs = MELT
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 6:59 pm to
So much winning!
Posted by Iowa Golfer
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:00 pm to
Not many bigger Trump supporters than I. But I am concerned in several areas right now. One that you posted about. Entrenched government employees sabotaging his agenda, and I don't think there is a reasonable doubt that this doesn't include the intelligence community. I'm not sure, but I don't think whistleblower status applies to a lot of this stuff. It doesn't matter however, they are going to get away with it.

I suspect Trump has this conceptualized. But at the high level his mind works at. Meaning even he can't really articulate this well. I think he could easily master this, but I also think he doesn't care to waste time trying to explain things to those that aren't at his level. And it is a high level, but a weird level.

Anyway, they are on the defensive. It's a Democratic strategy. And present leadership doesn't have that many people capable of thinking this through, or puling it off. Has to be someone like Obama, Bill Clinton etc. It's a thing of beauty and brilliance from a strategy perspective. Trump has to figure out how to counter this. A rocky start, in many ways similar to Bill Clinton's start.
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:04 pm to
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But at the high level his mind works at. Meaning even he can't really articulate this well. I think he could easily master this, but I also think he doesn't care to waste time trying to explain things to those that aren't at his level. And it is a high level, but a weird level.


Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:10 pm to
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Anyway, they are on the defensive.




Which is not a comfortable position for Trump to be in. His tactics have always been to attack and put his adversary on the defensive. The IC is not going to back down, and Trump responding with more attacks on them is just going to galvanize them more. I doubt he realizes the fire he is playing with here, and not having many experienced people on his staff isn't helping him. And that's not even to mention the leaks coming from within the WH staff, possibly even from his own people. It's been a pretty disastrous first few weeks on the job in many respects.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:11 pm to
It actually is funny. He can conceptualize, and this has been proven over and over again with his foresight in branding and other things. But he can't articulate, and doesn't care to, unless he has to.

A different funny than your funny. But I'm a funny guy. I base my funny on an outcome, not on an emotional political ideology as an example.

People laughed at Trump. People laugh at me. I suspect whatever we're both doing is working, and I suspect neither of us are going to change. Beautiful thing about America and freedom, we are all free to be whatever we'd like, and whatever works for us, so long as we don't encroach on someone else's freedom.

Everything is a conscious choice by some.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:17 pm to
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and not having many experienced people on his staff
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:19 pm to
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Kredo writes that the hit job on Flynn was driven by former Obama officials concerned about protecting secrets of the disastrous Iran deal:


Bingo
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:20 pm to
I would agree, and I think your take is very objective. It's not over by any means. Trump will get better at all of this.

I suspect it's difficult for him, given his age and success, to restrain himself from going off on a reporter. Something like, "Is there a question in there you douche bag?"
Posted by Cruiserhog
Little Rock
Member since Apr 2008
10460 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:30 pm to
you boy Trump sure loved leaks when it was during the campaign. I think he held rallies and talked about wikileaks 20 or so times and you saps ate that shite up and now your outraged at leaks to the media.

Hypocrit.


Jake Tapper blew Trump up today and closed with this, 'Its not a moral position you hold if its only applied to you'.

frick Trump, he is liar and a con.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:36 pm to
So emotional. Such hatred.
Posted by AU_Right
Member since Oct 2016
3048 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:39 pm to
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incompetent boob

So pretty much Obama and his whole fricking cabinet and you can add corrupt to that also, Must have been nice having the media cover for all his incompetence and setbacks. Same song as it always was with that crew.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 7:43 pm
Posted by a want
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:40 pm to
It's always somebody else's fault, huh?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135496 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:41 pm to
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you boy Trump sure loved leaks when it was during the campaign. I think he held rallies and talked about wikileaks 20 or so times and you saps ate that shite up and now your outraged at leaks to the media
Hey Bozo?
Do you understand the term Classified Information?

If you do, you will understand why many of us were so appalled at the Clinton home server BS. You'll understand why, after Chelsea Manning compromised reams of secret data, many of us were APPALLED at the ease Snowden's theft could occur. Neither the Podesta hack nor the DNC hack involved Classified information. Nor did it involve our own IC setting up an electronic coup.
Posted by ForeLSU
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:42 pm to
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Trump will get better at all of this.


I seriously doubt this, his personality type is not one of self analysis / constant improvement. He's more of a double down type.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135496 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:10 pm to
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his personality type is not one of self analysis / constant improvement. He's more of a double down type.
I guess it's possible to achieve multibillionaire status by not constantly improving, but it seems a dubious precept
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:13 pm to
Don't want embarrassing stuff to leak don't do it. It's pretty dimple
Posted by NOLA Bronco
Member since Dec 2014
1898 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:19 pm to
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Hey Bozo?
Do you understand the term Classified Information?

If you do, you will understand why many of us were so appalled at the Clinton home server BS. You'll understand why, after Chelsea Manning compromised reams of secret data, many of us were APPALLED at the ease Snowden's theft could occur. Neither the Podesta hack nor the DNC hack involved Classified information. Nor did it involve our own IC setting up an electronic coup.



So then are you equally appalled for Trump conducting national security business about North Korea, not only in front of another head of state, but at an unsecure public dinner where fricking waiters were tweeting about hearing Trump discuss vital strategic decision-making with North Korea in front of them?

Are you calling your congressman to demand an investigation about this conduct and put pressure on Trump to conduct the business of our national security with the care it requires?

Or like most things I see with many people, are these standards only applicable when the "other side" is doing it? When your guy does it, it just becomes excuse after excuse and whataboutism after whataboutism.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 8:23 pm
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
84431 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:20 pm to
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So then are you equally appalled for Trump conducting national security business about North Korea, not only in front of another head of state, but at an unsecure public dinner where fricking waiters were tweeting about hearing Trump discuss vital strategic decision-making with North Korea in front of them?

Are you calling your congressman to demand an investigation about this conduct and put pressure on Trump to conduct the business of our national security with the care it requires?


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