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re: The "I want the AG to enforce the law" meme
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:11 pm to cokebottleag
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:11 pm to cokebottleag
quote:Narrator: They were not.
Setting the focus and officially deciding to ignore a law are two different things.
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:12 pm to Antonio Moss
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Do you even understand what an executive order is?
Nope, no clue, can you please explain them to me?
I have a feeling a second pothead is about to recieve his nightly civics lesson.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:12 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:and yet you doubled down on the meme from the OP by stating that the AG MUST enforce all laws on the books. That EO, among other things, would indicate otherwise.
It was right there in black and white brother
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:13 pm to Iosh
(((Narrator)))
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:13 pm to Sentrius
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Just the simple fact alone that Trump signed an executive order forbidding enforcement of the individual mandate in ObamaCare and conservatives cheering that on shows how hypocritical they were and still are on this issue.
I found a winner
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:14 pm to cave canem
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Executive orders are 100% not mentioned in the constitution anywhere and are a self awarded power, as some sort of self proclaimed quasi-libertarian you should be well awarwe of this.
Then it should be pretty easy to convince the Supreme Court that executive orders are illegal right?
By all means. Go ahead.
You don't understand what an executive order is.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:20 pm to cave canem
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Nope, no clue, can you please explain them to me?
An executive order is an instruction by the chief executive of the United States to his subordinates as to how and when to enforce the law.
The Constitution in Article II, Section I, Clause I, vests the power of execution of laws with the President.
Your argument in regards to Constitutionality is invalid. In order to execute the laws of the country, the President must instruct the various enforcement agencies as to methods, degree, etc. This is done through executive orders.
Your argument is akin to saying that even though the President is Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, the Constitution doesn't grant him the authority to instruct the armed forces as to how to wage war.
It's nonsense.
quote:
I have a feeling a second pothead is about to recieve his nightly civics lesson.
Cute.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:26 pm to Iosh
quote:Is it now. How interesting.
it's clear your position on the latter is wholly contingent on the color of the previous electoral map.
What EXACTLY do you think the AG proposed regarding marijuana laws. Is he ordering raids? Is he ordering pot shops to close within 45 days?
Comprende?
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:28 pm to lsufanz
quote:Either you misread, misinterpreted, or confused my post with someone else's.
and yet you doubled down on the meme from the OP by stating that the AG MUST enforce all laws on the books.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:30 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:He didn't order anything, he just gave US Attorneys leeway to prosecute if they want. It is a less-than-maximally evil policy that still subjects state regulatory bodies and small businesses to substantial uncertainty.
What EXACTLY do you think the AG proposed regarding marijuana laws. Is he ordering raids? Is he ordering pot shops to close within 45 days?
Coincidentally, this was exactly what you were bitching about in Toddy's thread. The story linked there was about US Attorneys doing their own things, not a crackdown order from Eric Holder:
quote:Sadly I won't be awake for your third attempt at special pleading but I'm sure it'll be a doozy!
The ominous-sounding letters from U.S. attorneys in recent weeks have directly injected the federal government back into a debate that has for years been progressing at the state level. Warnings in Washington state led Gov. Chris Gregoire to veto a proposal that would have created licensed marijuana dispensaries.
Letters with various cautions have also gone to officials in California, Colorado, Montana and Rhode Island.
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:34 pm to Iosh
quote:CORRECT!
He didn't order anything
The assholes in 2011 did!
Even targeting legit medical use.
Got it?
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:37 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
An executive order is an instruction by the chief executive of the United States to his subordinates as to how and when to enforce the law.
The Constitution in Article II, Section I, Clause I, vests the power of execution of laws with the President.
Very good so far, now from where does the authority come to either establish or annul laws?
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:38 pm to cave canem
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now from where does the authority come to either establish or annul laws?
By laws, do you mean administrative regulations?
If so, most come from Congress authority.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:43 pm to Iosh
quote:.... and if that is the result here, you'll see the same post as in 2011 from me. I don't give a rat's arse about political "color" of the issue.
Coincidentally, this was exactly what you were bitching about in Toddy's thread. The story linked there was about US Attorneys doing their own things, not a crackdown order from Eric Holder:
However, after Trump's DACA maneuver which stands to tremendously benefit DACAs, I am not convinced (yet) that prosecuting pot is Trump's play here. It seems, like DACA, the Admin may be simply kicking this back to Congress where it belongs.
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:44 pm to Antonio Moss
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By laws, do you mean administrative regulations?
Now we are getting somewhere, we agree then that the executive can not issue laws by proclamation and his edicts have no legal authority?
quote:
If so, most come from Congress authority
lets keep this confined to the executive branch
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:46 pm to TennesseeFan25
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Does the AG make the laws? Write your congressman, rather than us, as I certainly don’t give a frick about your opinion
Perhaps you would care to explain why the AG has any say to what Congress does at all.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:52 pm to cave canem
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Now we are getting somewhere, we agree then that the executive can not issue laws by proclamation and his edicts have no legal authority?
quote:
If so, most come from Congress authority
lets keep this confined to the executive branch
My god, you still don't understand executive orders.
The vast majority of executive orders dictate regulations on how to enforce a law passed by Congress and to which Congress had previously authorized in the legislation.
Example - Congress passes a National ID act and the legislation instructs the President to use the various agencies to regulate the process. The President then sends out executive orders to these agencies detailing regulations which have the enforcement of law.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:06 pm to Antonio Moss
I think we've reached peak poliboard or rather, peak politard when the idea that executive orders are illegal is being seriously debated.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:09 pm to NC_Tigah
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Either you misread, misinterpreted, or confused my post with someone else's.
If so, I certainly apologize. My opinion is that marijuana is much less of a public health threat than many other drugs, chemicals, substances that are legal and that the current classification is ridiculous. I think we’ve wasted too much time and money on Refer Madness and do not support any effort by this administration to move back in that direction. If this move is truly aimed simply at forcing Congress to act, I can support that although I don’t have any confidence that it will be successful. It would seem that an effort to reschedule would make much more sense for that intended outcome.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:13 pm to Sentrius
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I think we've reached peak poliboard or rather, peak politard when the idea that executive orders are illegal is being seriously debated
Hence why I thought it was cute that he was going teach me a lesson in civics.
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