re: The gays are upset with Utah's governor

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He's going to lose.

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At least he is fighting for the laws the people of the state voted for. I will take that over the gutless pricks we see over and over.

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A law that's unconstitutional, violates the 14th amendment, due process and the equal protection clause.

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Where's the argument that sexual orientation is a protected class under the 14th amendment? I'm sure it's out there, but I was wondering if you have a link to a good summary of the Supreme Court's ruling of it under federal law. Or has that happened yet? I know Obama instructed his DOJ to not enforce DOMA, but is that all they're going on at this point in terms of actual action at the federal level? Is there an official interpretation?

BTW, the politics behind the 14th amendment is pretty interesting stuff.

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At least he is fighting for the laws the people of the state voted for.

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I get what you're saying, but we can't pass laws based solely on what the majority wants.

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Where's the argument that sexual orientation is a protected class under the 14th amendment?

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Don't know the specific court reasoning but 14th Amendment is, of course, equal protection under the law. And the equal protection argument is that states are discriminating by not recognizing same sex marriages.

I don't agree with that particular argument because it was always assumed, until about 20 or so years ago, that marriage was a man and a woman. The Constitution has not changed in the interim...public opinion has changed, but that's something that should be reflected through legislators. Kind of like how life without parole for a 17 year old murderer is suddenly "cruel and unusual".

I voted against the Louisiana ban in 2004...but I don't buy that it violates the 14th.

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I think it should be.

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Agree. The most relevant analogy is first cousin marriages. Recognized in a few states, but not valid in most. And the reason for opposing them is the same--people find them sinful or "icky" or both.

I really wish people weren't so gay about everything.

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The reason cousins shouldn't get married is for the high rate of genetic defects.

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The risk of birth defects is overrated. They published a medical study a few years ago that showed that there was no meaningful increase in the odds of genetic defects unless you had several generations of cousin marriages. (I remember it because message boards in SEC country made a lot of "Good news for Bama fans" jokes.)

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The risk of birth defects is overrated. They published a medical study a few years ago that showed that there was no meaningful increase in the odds of genetic defects unless you had several generations of cousin marriages. (I remember it because message boards in SEC country made a lot of "Good news for Bama fans" jokes.)

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But my point remains, the risks are still there.

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I don't agree with that particular argument because it was always assumed, until about 20 or so years ago, that marriage was a man and a woman. The Constitution has not changed in the interim...public opinion has changed, but that's something that should be reflected through legislators.

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So if a certain segment of the population decides to redefine marriage, then the entire population must go along? What is Utah doesn't agree with the new definition of marriage? I agree that it is a state issue.

When are people going to realize the real issue is not about gays getting married - its about destroying religion. After the activist judges have made gay marriage legal in every state, who really thinks the gays are going to just go away?

They are going to directly target churches as "hate groups" for refusing to perform gay marriages. Book it.

Why is it that every few days the homo's are pissed at someone else. Don't they have to work. If they had to work twelve hours orso everyday they wwouldn't have time or energy to get mad at someone.