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re: The Fani Willis prosecution of Trump just went up in smoke.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:42 pm to therick711
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:42 pm to therick711
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The Motion to Dismiss claims that Willis and Ward failed to provide documents requested by the defense and that they have an improper relationship. The case could go away if the failure to disclose allegations are true or if the Willis-Ward shenanigans amounts to prosecutorial misconduct. The focus has been on the increasing mountain of evidence that Willis has lied as an officer of the court. I haven't seen much reportage on the other issues.
Thanks, good info
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Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:43 pm to therick711
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not like what federal law considers an independent special counsel like Mueller, Jack Smith, Starr, and the like.
Ah Ok.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:44 pm to teke184
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Lawfare pushed this particular case hard because they wanted a conviction against Trump before November in order to kill his election chances.
Having him tried and trying to get a conviction yes are part of the point
You specifically said DQ'd from the election
All of the lawfare has 4 purposes:
1) Win him the primary
2) Drain his funds on legal fees
3) Shift all attention to his legal problems, not real issues
4) Convict him of something so he loses the General
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:45 pm to teke184
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it gets reassigned to another prosecutor.
Wasn't he the only prosecutor willing to try this case? And we now know why he was "WILLING".
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Ah Ok.
That's one of the reasons it raised eyebrows that Ward was brought on to assist in a RICO case, given he does not have any experience prosecuting those types of cases. The DA hired a contract attorney to assist in a complex case, then chose an attorney who doesn't have experience in that type of complex case.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:47 pm to Fun Bunch
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1) Win him the primary 2) Drain his funds on legal fees 3) Shift all attention to his legal problems, not real issues 4) Convict him of something so he loses the General
And #1 is already accomplished, #4 is null and void if it gets kicked past the election because there IS no election for him past that. He either gets term limited out or has no chance in 2028.
2 and 3 may continue but they would turn their focus to other cases such as the ones in NY state over this because there are already judgments against him there whereas this won’t reach a verdict before November at this rate.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:48 pm to JCdawg
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I wish someone like her would go rogue and drop all the info about how the establishment set this up for her
and promised they would protect her.
Yes
Fight fire with fire
Start investigating all the corrupt DA’s, mayors, sec of states, etc
We know who they are
Cancel those evil fricks
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:48 pm to teke184
My point was that a conviction doesn't necessarily equal disqualification.
I think they just want him convicted. They'd love to keep him in the election with multiple convictions.
I think they just want him convicted. They'd love to keep him in the election with multiple convictions.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:51 pm to Padme
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Dumb bitch
I imagine Fat Fannie wishes she had never heard the name Donald J. Trump.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:51 pm to Fun Bunch
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I think they just want him convicted.
They'd love to keep him in the election with multiple convictions.
And his base will only grow stronger
I’ll stand in line for as long as it takes
To vote for Trump
No matter what bogus, unconditional, or evil that they try
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:52 pm to Fun Bunch
The idea was to try and remove him from the ballot by any means possible.
The Colorado “insurrection” ballot stunt appears to have failed miserably.
The NY cases are civil, not criminal.
Having a felony conviction could be used to argue about eligibility, even though legal beagles are saying that only Congress gets to determine eligibility for federal elections.
Having this arrow out of their quiver for the election minimizes the effectiveness of it given that its major impact would be PR related going into Election Day.
It could still be used to harass him afterwards but it isn’t nearly as useful if he is either a private citizen or has the resources of the government to throw behind his case.
The Colorado “insurrection” ballot stunt appears to have failed miserably.
The NY cases are civil, not criminal.
Having a felony conviction could be used to argue about eligibility, even though legal beagles are saying that only Congress gets to determine eligibility for federal elections.
Having this arrow out of their quiver for the election minimizes the effectiveness of it given that its major impact would be PR related going into Election Day.
It could still be used to harass him afterwards but it isn’t nearly as useful if he is either a private citizen or has the resources of the government to throw behind his case.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:52 pm to Rohan Gravy
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And his base will only grow stronger
Yeah, that's the point.
His base grows stronger.
Everything else crumbles, he loses by a lot. And we keep on losing through 2028
That is LITERALLY the plan
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:53 pm to Fun Bunch
Based on what?
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:54 pm to teke184
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The idea was to try and remove him from the ballot by any means possible.
I don't think that's the case.
Its all about the conviction
Because they saw the poll numbers with his base with the charges
And then they see the poll numbers in the general with a conviction.
if he is convicted, he loses by one of the largest margins since 1988, if you believe polling
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:54 pm to jbdawgs03
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Based on what?
The thing you love more than anything else on earth, maybe more than Trump.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:59 pm to Fun Bunch
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if he is convicted, he loses by one of the largest margins since 1988, if you believe polling
Depends on which groups you ask.
I’m sure Dems will vote against a convicted Trump but would anyway.
I’m sure a high percentage of Republicans will vote for him but would anyway. (Most of the ones who wouldn’t are likely the ones supporting Haley now and are Anyone But Trump)
The question would be independents and a number of those see these prosecutions as horseshite.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 2:00 pm to Fun Bunch
???
Posted on 2/23/24 at 2:01 pm to teke184
The polls don't reflect that, that I have seen.
It syphons off a large number of Republicans. Only about 30% of Republicans are hardcore MAGA. The rest are varying shades of support. He was the "incumbent" and got 50% of 14% of Republicans in Iowa.
And with Indies, which make up 35-40% of the electorate, its crushing.
With a conviction his numbers go to like 10% among independents.
It syphons off a large number of Republicans. Only about 30% of Republicans are hardcore MAGA. The rest are varying shades of support. He was the "incumbent" and got 50% of 14% of Republicans in Iowa.
And with Indies, which make up 35-40% of the electorate, its crushing.
With a conviction his numbers go to like 10% among independents.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 2:01 pm to jbdawgs03
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???
polls ;)
Posted on 2/23/24 at 2:09 pm to teke184
I think it’s the (I) vote that gets decimated.
Rs and Ds won’t change much unless the rabid Ds come out with glee to say they protected democracy from a convicted criminal or whatever bullshite runs through their heads.
The Ds are smart and evil. This is threading the needle.
By any means necessary was the only true thing they’ve said in a while.
Rs and Ds won’t change much unless the rabid Ds come out with glee to say they protected democracy from a convicted criminal or whatever bullshite runs through their heads.
The Ds are smart and evil. This is threading the needle.
By any means necessary was the only true thing they’ve said in a while.
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