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re: The Episcopal Church unveils the new LGBTQ+ Pride Shield

Posted on 5/30/24 at 8:38 am to
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 8:38 am to
The Bible is pretty clear on this issue if you have the cognitive ability to read and interpret the written word.

Actually doesn't require much interpretation.

"Abomination".....is pretty clear to me
Posted by Champagne
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Member since Oct 2007
53724 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 8:38 am to
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Was threatened and stepped down.

How brave.

Did he take it up the rear too?


NO CATHOLIC HATE AT ALL ON TIGERDROPPINGS, FOLKS!

No, none at all.

Protestants are very charitable towards their fellow Christians, the Catholics!

Yeah, sure.

Posted by Champagne
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Member since Oct 2007
53724 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 8:39 am to
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The history of the Episcopalian church is anything but typical Protestant.


One of the first if not THE first Protestant denomination is NOT "typical Protestant"?
Posted by rattlebucket
SELA
Member since Feb 2009
12617 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 8:40 am to
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They base their theology on the Bible Alone.


Then how’d they get to where they are today? Doesnt seem like too much of the sola scriptura happenin here with that new shield logo thingy
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
18147 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 8:41 am to
Nope, not one iota. The Episcopalians have fallen pretty hard.
Posted by Champagne
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Member since Oct 2007
53724 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 8:50 am to
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That's a curious approach. If there's a large group that disagrees on an issue and as a result it splits into two or more smaller groups, you appear to be saying that its foundation was fundamentally flawed or it wouldn't have split.

You sure that's the logic you want to go with?


My analysis is focused on the Bible Alone system for discerning theological truth. You seem to suggest that my analysis might be used to apply to some other factual situation that you have yet to name. I would never suggest that.

State the new factual situation that you have in mind. We'll see whether my analytical approach might be applied to it.

Bible Alone was bequeathed to us by men who told us that the Bible was all that each individual needed to sit down, read, meditate and come to the Truth about God's Plan for Human Sexuality. We know now that what they told us is wrong. Logic dictates that we consider whether this "Bible Alone" system for discerning theological truth is flawed. If it is flawed, we must consider whether the men who invented it were guided by the Holy Spirit.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
43970 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 8:50 am to
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I don’t understand how you can read and believe in the Bible and support this.


Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. However, there is a big difference between throwing stones and openly encouraging a sinful lifestyle. I was raised Episcopalian and my family’s church has not embraced the idea. However I have started going to the conservative branch of the Anglican Church that has all but formally separated from the Episcopal church over this stuff.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26950 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 8:53 am to
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My analysis is focused on the Bible Alone system for discerning theological truth. You seem to suggest that my analysis might be used to apply to some other factual situation that you have yet to name.


Only if you're interested in intellectual consistency.
Posted by Tasseo
Member since Feb 2024
3252 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 9:11 am to
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Protestantism seems to be shattering into a thousand pieces before our very eyes.

Same as the Catholic Church
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I'm not throwing stones at anybody. I'm just observing and commentating.

By separating your Church, with all it's major issues, you are, and no you aren't.
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
7052 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 9:16 am to
RCIA classes are about to fill up with Episcopalians.
Posted by Tasseo
Member since Feb 2024
3252 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 9:18 am to
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NO CATHOLIC HATE AT ALL ON TIGERDROPPINGS, FOLKS!

No, none at all.

Protestants are very charitable towards their fellow Christians, the Catholics!

Yeah, sure.

People who tout that their Church is the true and only true Church of Jesus, shouldnt whine about being discriminated against. Such an odd interiority complex.
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
12200 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 9:20 am to
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As Episcopalians, we believe in and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, whose life, death, and resurrection saved the world. We believe that God loves you – no exceptions.


What about repentance? That means the LGBTQ nuts need to reject their LGBTQ lifestyle and repent. Are they repenting of their homosexual pedophilic sins?
This post was edited on 5/30/24 at 9:22 am
Posted by Tasseo
Member since Feb 2024
3252 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 9:32 am to
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What about repentance? That means the LGBTQ nuts need to reject their LGBTQ lifestyle and repent. Are they repenting of their homosexual pedophilic sins?

When this argument gets confusing looks from so called leftie "Christians" you know they have no clue what the foundation of the religion is.

I like using the argument another poster described where you ask if a church should allow for a drunk to sit in a pew getting hammered or a prostitute soliciting in church. Etc etc in regard to sin.

We all sin, but where things went off the rails is when we allowed people to normalize their sins. Goes with hetero sex not just homo sex, drugs (yes even pot), etc etc. No shame around traditional deadly sins we were all typically brought up with. Unfortunately the next gen hasnt.

The Devil is definitely winning, but hasn't won yet so time to fight together instead of stupid inner family fighting.
Posted by Champagne
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Member since Oct 2007
53724 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 9:34 am to
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Same as the Catholic Church


The Catechism of the Catholic Church is published right here. There is only one Catechism.

So, your claim that the Catholic Church is shattering into pieces is not supported by facts. You may be praying for this to happen, but, it is not happening now.

Here's our one and only Catechism.

LINK
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
53724 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 9:35 am to
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shouldnt whine about being discriminated against.


You are hating on my Church and yet it is your Protestantism that is shattering into pieces. Your hate is misdirected.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
67625 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 9:38 am to
Th Episcopal Church I attended int the 60’s was fairly conservative. Odd turn of events with its administration today.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30543 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 9:40 am to
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"The Holy Spirit guided me to interpret the Bible Alone, and guided me to my conclusion on this issue."


Yeah, except when one is guided to ignore Biblical teachings in support of a worldly view, you can rest assured it is not the Holy Spirit that is guiding them....
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
86129 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 9:45 am to
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This is Protestantism, in a nutshell.


On a website and from a state where traditionally the majority claimed Catholicism as a cultural rite and completely disregarded everything else about it, this is pretty rich.

Protestantism kept America as one of the world's most-faith oriented nations while nearly every other Western nation saw steep decline.

We can argue about whether the natural end result of some elements of Protestantism is a lukewarm, gradual decline that creates more problems than it answers - I'm open to the argument. But suffice to say, Catholicism was window dressing in the United States for decades among most claimed adherents.

Both Catholicism and Protestantism are entering into an era (Catholics are ahead here) where fewer and fewer will claim the label for cultural/social purposes because there is less utility in it. There are far fewer "I'm Catholic but I'm not really religious" types now than in my youth, where it was very prevalent to hear. Again, no social utility. Protestantism is going to experience the same thing.

These leftist advocacy groups masquerading as churches will die off in time, leaving a much smaller, more serious group of Protestant churches/denominations. Same for RCC.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
43970 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 9:56 am to
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Th Episcopal Church I attended int the 60’s was fairly conservative. Odd turn of events with its administration today.


It’s northern and western Episcopal churches that are driving this. Some Episcopal churches in the south have split and started calling themselves Anglican. Ones in small towns like my family’s church wants to split but the diocese owns the church and the property its on and it doesn’t have enough members to buy it from them.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26950 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 9:58 am to
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We can argue about whether the natural end result of some elements of everything touched by man is a lukewarm, gradual decline that creates more problems than it answers


I think the above is more accurate.

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