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Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:33 pm to BBONDS25
quote:He most certainly is. You may be able to do extreme advance math, calculate the orbit of non-visible planet, and quote the works of Shakespeare, but is unable to separate emotion from logic or reason, you are not "smart". You are simply a person who is emotional, acts emotionally, without regards to the facts, reason, and logic slapping the shite out of his face and ignoring it.
DB isn’t an idiot, and he never gives up. I don’t agree with him on this issue, but don’t underestimate him. He is pretty damn smart. Smart people can disagree on the validity of this indictment.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:34 pm to GRTiger
quote:No, which is why I cited what those laws covered, and in the case the PRA not only doesn’t supersede the Espionage Act in any way since they referring to do distinct things, it was created to limit the presidential authority over what to do with records after Nixon attempted to destroy some.
It makes more sense that the applicable law is whichever is oldest rather than which is more specific and relevant to the matter?
It was literally created so that a president couldn’t do what Trump did. So this argument makes no sense.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:37 pm to greygoose
Calm down, sport. We can still hang out.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:44 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Two Presidents, in my lifetime, created record economic growth. Reagan and Trump. You, and your ilk, refuse to acknowledge that. Answer this: Why was Trump impeached twice? Why is he indicted now? Do you actually think there was an ounce of validity to any of those actions? If not, then why the massive "throw the kitchen sink" at him?
I'm not going anywhere, dipshit. I'm just letting you know that I don't find your opinions useful and I'm not reading your idiotic rants.
If you want to talk shite and insult each other, I'm down. If you want to push your ignorance as something I should consider...well, frick off, retard.
Here's the big, big, massive question: What are his enemies afraid of?...... He boomed the economy. Less people, and most importantly, less AMERICANS died in combat.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:48 pm to greygoose
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I don't find your opinions useful and I'm not reading your idiotic rants.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 10:03 pm to momentoftruth87
quote:trump supported pedo Disney and Tranheiser, until he realized how badly that looked and tried to backtrack while blaming DeSantis for Disney going woke. What a retard
Dem talking points, so hot for Ron bots these days
This post was edited on 6/9/23 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 6/9/23 at 10:08 pm to buckeye_vol
But the espionage act is not specific to the president. If it was, then the PRA wouldn't have exceptions like this for public access to presidential records.
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Restrictions On Your Ability to Access Presidential Records
You can not request access to presidential records during the President's term of office. FOIA does not apply to offices within the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President. Kissinger v. Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, 445 U.S. 136, 156 (1980) (noting that the term “agency” does not include “the President's immediate personal staff or units in the Executive Office whose sole function is to advise and assist the President.”) However, after a President leaves office, the Presidential Records Act allows access to these records. So, for instance, right now, you cannot request access to President Bush's presidential records through FOIA. But, 5 years after President Bush leaves office, the Presidential Records Act would allow you to access those same records through FOIA.
A former or incumbent president may restrict access to presidential records for up to twelve years if he claims an exemption based on section 2204 of the Presidential Records Act. These six exemptions are for national security information, information relating to appointees to Federal office, information specifically exempt from disclosure by statute, trade secrets and confidential business information, confidential conversations between the President and his advisers, and files which if disclosed would constitute a "clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy." 44 U.S.C. s.s. 2204(a)(1)-(6). After twelve years, these exemptions no longer apply. The regular exemptions under FOIA may apply, however, so you should review the section on FOIA Exemptions before concluding that you are automatically entitled to the information you seek.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 10:09 pm to davyjones
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Exactly. That’s why most of the former Trump supporters tucked tail and ran in the other direction eventually - they didn’t have the chest to stick it out
Do you have any idea how insane this sounds? You think it takes “chest” to support a political candidate?
Posted on 6/9/23 at 10:11 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I don't find your opinions useful and I'm not reading your idiotic rants.
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Just the response I expected....an imbecile that gives up early because the "debate" is too hard. Insult, take ball, run home....
Posted on 6/9/23 at 10:13 pm to greygoose
Posted on 6/9/23 at 10:18 pm to GRTiger
quote:But that’s not even relevant to this situation at all. These PRA doesn’t somehow supersede the espionage act, as they are only tangentially related to specific handling of documentation. But one is covered under criminal (Title 18) and one is covered under Public Printing and Documents (Title 44).
But the espionage act is not specific to the president. If it was, then the PRA wouldn't have exceptions like this for public access to presidential records.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 10:20 pm to Flats
Well I was being a tad bit jocular with my terminology, I wasn’t expecting anyone to come in hot and analyze my words in their most literal and sober connotation possible.
But now that you put it to me like this, maybe so actually. Perhaps it does take a certain chest to stick it out with Donald Trump and not hightail it to “safer” grounds.
But now that you put it to me like this, maybe so actually. Perhaps it does take a certain chest to stick it out with Donald Trump and not hightail it to “safer” grounds.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 10:34 pm to davyjones
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But now that you put it to me like this, maybe so actually.
No. It’s just a political preference between two candidates that politically aren’t that far apart compared to the alternative. Having a preference doesn’t mean you’re brave, more patriotic, more faithful to your wife or that you give more to the United Way.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 10:49 pm to GRTiger
True
Posted on 6/10/23 at 12:48 am to buckeye_vol
quote:You are arguing with people who think that any president can leave office with documents on our nuclear secrets and attack plans on foreign nations and claim them as private property. These people are IDIOTS.
But that’s not even relevant to this situation at all. These PRA doesn’t somehow supersede the espionage act, as they are only tangentially related to specific handling of documentation. But one is covered under criminal (Title 18) and one is covered under Public Printing and Documents (Title 44).
Posted on 6/10/23 at 12:51 am to mmcgrath
Yeah he should have stored them in a personal server
Posted on 6/10/23 at 2:12 am to FlexDawg
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Presidential Records Act, not Espionage Act, controls former president's handling of his presidential records
The PRA has exceptions that include national defense records.
And if any of the documents found are related to nuclear weapons, those documents have their own standards under the Atomic Energy Act.
If Jeff Clark has any tweets explaining those issues, please post.
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The theory the President of the United States can declassify information and still get charged for espionage--under "national defense information"--will not survive Supreme Court review.
Ya I don't see the SC setting a precedent that any ex president can just take any national defense or nuclear programs docs he wants and not tell anyone about it.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 3:39 am to davyjones
Personally I think a ticket with Trump/RFK jr would be the type of ticket to win folks on both sides over. If you look at their policy, they are intrinsically linked. They both war against big pharma, big business, deep state actors and renegade executive, judicial and legislative powers. They both are outsiders and most importantly both from different parties. We all know RFK will not get a fair shake by the DNC and is not "their guy" just as we saw them do to Bernie Sanders. I think together they would represent a return to normalcy from both parties and be a force. RFK would garner independent voters and democratic voters that would not normally vote for Trump. It would also garner a much larger platform for RFK which is important as the man speaks the truth. What a duo, the outlandish outspoken Trump vs RFK who strains just to speak. It would be a hell of a ticket in my opinion and a winner.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:53 am to Richleau
Won’t happen
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