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re: The discussion of civil war is irresponsible and ignorant.
Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:32 am to Bard
Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:32 am to Bard
Because racism should be an outlier so far on the fringe of logic that we refuse to offer the attention to the mouth breathers that espouse it. Let the police manage the children and let us get on with the business of civil society.
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Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:33 am to CollegeFBRules
With all due respect, the statues are not the reason people are saying we are on the edge of civil war.
Right over your head it all goes.
Right over your head it all goes.
Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:34 am to CollegeFBRules
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That happened when those governors and mayors won the office.
bullshite
They were not elected to be dictators, but a commie like you probably wouldn't know that.
MAGA
This post was edited on 8/19/17 at 9:35 am
Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:36 am to Jjdoc
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With all due respect, the statues are not the reason people are saying we are on the edge of civil war.
With similar respect, this board does not often lend itself to treatises on full range discussions, so for the sake of simplicity, I parsed it to the latest grievance and invite anyone else, yourself included, to expand the conversation productively.
Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:37 am to mofungoo
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They were not elected to be dictators
If you genuinely believe this, you and I have nothing further to discuss. Have a good day.
Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:37 am to CollegeFBRules
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but Rush talking about war and others around here parroting the same is irresponsible and dangerous. Words matter and I think people need to be much more careful with them.
Yeah, I don't take Rush serious, nor the few who claim there is going to be a war. Most people realize there will not be unless the economy crashes.
Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:39 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Most people realize there will not be unless the economy crashes.
Possible with expanding automation, I'm afraid. Silicon Valley isn't a threat because it fired James Damore. It's a threat because it's automating everything as fast as it can.
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Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:42 am to CollegeFBRules
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Possible with expanding automation, I'm afraid. Silicon Valley isn't a threat because it fired James Damore. It's a threat because it's automating everything as fast as it can.
The issue with unrest, this was usually a right wing thing, at least in the past decade. I hear it from the "opposition" as they call themselves, leftists now as well.
The power structure will pay off people as automation comes into being, but I do fear standards of living could drop initially. Not long term, but initially.
Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
Good post, brother. I appreciate the civil discussion.
Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:46 am to CollegeFBRules
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discussion of civil war is irresponsible
but it's nice to have a protected right to discuss irresponsible stuff
Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:46 am to TrueTiger
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but it's nice to have a protected right to discuss irresponsible stuff
Yes it is. Very nicely stated.
Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:50 am to CollegeFBRules
There is likely no civil war coming in the near term.
That doesn't change the fact that a good portion of people demonstrating in the streets both for and against removal are interested in starting violence and chaos. I think many of us read ourselves and our ideas into the people we agree with on the issue and those people have nothing to do with us or sanity.
That doesn't change the fact that a good portion of people demonstrating in the streets both for and against removal are interested in starting violence and chaos. I think many of us read ourselves and our ideas into the people we agree with on the issue and those people have nothing to do with us or sanity.
Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:54 am to CollegeFBRules
That's one way to look at it.
Another is that the country is reaching the point of being hopelessly divided and the only choice will be peaceful/organized separation, or war.
While the former is certainly the preferable outcome, the latter is more likely. It is foolish not to consider the possibility, or to discuss it.
Another is that the country is reaching the point of being hopelessly divided and the only choice will be peaceful/organized separation, or war.
While the former is certainly the preferable outcome, the latter is more likely. It is foolish not to consider the possibility, or to discuss it.
Posted on 8/19/17 at 10:40 am to udtiger
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Another is that the country is reaching the point of being hopelessly divided and the only choice will be peaceful/organized separation, or war.
Why is the most extreme choice the only choice?
Posted on 8/19/17 at 10:46 am to CollegeFBRules
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As much as I appreciate your condescension, what you're witnessing is a symptom of you living in a democracy, not of a war brewing.
Advocating for and shutting down free speech, no matter how nasty, is not democracy.
Calling both sides of what happened in Charlottesville as disgusting, then getting slammed by the media and called a racist is not democracy.
I have quite a few people on facebook that have said point blank that nazis and white supremacists should not only have their First Amendment rights stripped, but also see nothing wrong with assaulting them for just being in public. That is not democracy, and I never imagined I would see words like that come from them.
There something nasty and vile brewing in segments of the american populace that has nothing to do with democracy. And it will eventually spill over.
Posted on 8/19/17 at 10:52 am to Centinel
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Advocating for and shutting down free speech, no matter how nasty, is not democracy.
People being able to advocate for it is. Shutting it down is the antithesis of it, but permitting those to advocate for it is.
There have always been people who have been in favor of killing free speech. Free speech is constantly under assault around the world. Your Facebook feed isn't an indicator of anything imminent, even if it makes you feel that way because it's the small pond you swim in when you log in. It's not your fault, it's just your exposure.
Calls for the evisceration of free speech are not new, however.
Posted on 8/19/17 at 10:57 am to CollegeFBRules
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Your Facebook feed isn't an indicator of anything imminent, even if it makes you feel that way because it's the small pond you swim in when you log in. It's not your fault, it's just your exposure.
I actually think this is healthy In some way. People use social media to discuss things they would never do in real life and throwing stuff out there to discuss, even if it's something that would never happen in the real world isn't always negative. Its kind of like porn, or people obsessed with murder mysteries. It's fantasy, people know its fantasy but want to pretend in some harmless way that it's real.
People talk of civil war, but they know it's not going to happen. It's just venting, and venting isn't always bad.
Posted on 8/19/17 at 11:01 am to CollegeFBRules
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People being able to advocate for it is. Shutting it down is the antithesis of it, but permitting those to advocate for it is.
I'm not making the claim advocating for the shutting down of free speech is illegal. I'm making the claim it is anti-democratic. Which it is. When you are advocating for the removal of rights of individuals, that is not democratic. That is statist authoritarianism.
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Calls for the evisceration of free speech are not new, however.
Increasing public, government, and media support for it is.
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Your Facebook feed isn't an indicator of anything imminent, even if it makes you feel that way because it's the small pond you swim in when you log in. It's not your fault, it's just your exposure.
And I've lived all over the US (and world) and worked with people from all over the US and world. My "exposure" I would venture to guess is much, much broader than you assume it is. I'm not some yokel who's never left his hometown.
Posted on 8/19/17 at 11:06 am to Centinel
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And I've lived all over the US (and world) and worked with people from all over the US and world. My "exposure" I would venture to guess is much, much broader than you assume it is. I'm not some yokel who's never left his hometown.
Fair enough. I'll concede you likely have a broader cross section of opinions than most on your Facebook feed.
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I'm making the claim it is anti-democratic. Which it is. When you are advocating for the removal of rights of individuals, that is not democratic. That is statist authoritarianism.
It is, but unless you see it carried out, it's merely talk. And if speech truly starts getting removed at the government level, then you'll see me on the protest lines with the rest of you. Until then, the continued exercising of free speech lives on.
Posted on 8/19/17 at 11:27 am to CollegeFBRules
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Why is the most extreme choice the only choice?
Because history demonstrates this is the most probable outcome.
Sure, you can have the collapse of a political system that is relatively bloodless (fall of USSR/Eastern Bloc), but we are not dealing with such a situation.
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