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re: The decline of religious faith in America and what that means for our future
Posted on 9/14/22 at 5:49 pm to Bayou
Posted on 9/14/22 at 5:49 pm to Bayou
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Our constitution was written for a religious and moral people. It is wholly unsuitable for any other- John Adams
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Jesus butted heads with the Religious.
Another strawman argument
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 5:52 pm to Lynxrufus2012
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Aren't the people coming across the border more like to be Catholics?
Not necessarily- they basically go to church where they get free stuff in their homelands and here as well
Posted on 9/14/22 at 6:01 pm to Loserman
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Jesus butted heads with the Religious.
Another strawman argument
Read The Bible and tell me I'm wrong.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 6:06 pm to Lynxrufus2012
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So, if I see something that could be dangerous and hurt you I should mind my own business and not tell you?
Sure, if it's something dangerous and it appeared a person was about to fall off a cliff, why not?
But, what dangerous thing do you see where you need to sell people on Jesus?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 6:21 pm to ThuperThumpin
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Thats sad man. Like honestly, I hope you are ok.
Sorry you feel that’s sad, personally I find it beautiful
Posted on 9/14/22 at 7:36 pm to AgSGT
The greatest growth of Christianity is when persecution happens - they’ve been saying Christianity is done for 2000 years
Posted on 9/14/22 at 7:39 pm to geauxcoco
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Trump and all those evangelicals making religion such a big part of the Republican Party,
How did they make religion a big part of the Republican Party?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 8:07 pm to Revelator
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How did they make religion a big part of the Republican Party?
No one's going to find a Savior in a party or any Government.
Posters talking about hypocrites and other wrong-doers yet look to a party or Government to make everything right.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:26 pm to the808bass
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I think that was one of the goals of the Covid shutdowns. Decrease church attendance and routines.
Covid was very convenient in many areas. Almost like it was planned.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:34 pm to Revelator
I’ve enjoyed the discussion today. One thing I will never understand are the folks who complain because a Christian simply invites them to church, but spends all day on a thread trying to tear down or diminish that Christians beliefs.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:41 pm to Revelator
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just above one-third of all Americans (35%) by 2070
This is when the real fun begins
All the atheists like to say they are peaceful. Just wait until they are the majority. We are going to find out just how well their man made “morals” hold up.
The reality is the judeochristian world view is holding this country together by threads and the only thing preventing it from devolving into pure chaos
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:53 pm to BiggRazorback
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I just live life. Everything is fine. Always has been. Always will be.
Everything is fine because you exist in a bubble of a society built around a judeochristian worldview. You are discounting the importance of that.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 10:10 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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The moral code of the Bible was written and modified by man.
Are you trying to say an atheist could develop the same morals?
You could be right but the difference is the morality is tied to God so that no man can come along and say their morals are superior.
Yes in an atheist world you could have someone come along and present their 10 commandments. But what is stopping someone else from coming by and saying their commandments are better?
Religion is a way of decentralizing power.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 10:32 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Are you trying to say an atheist could develop the same morals?
Anyone could develop those morals, because we already did. Using a god to convince a bunch of primitives that you have authority in those morals doesn't change that.
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You could be right but the difference is the morality is tied to God so that no man can come along and say their morals are superior.
Men have been doing exactly that for thousands of years, including to the Bible. They've masked this as the "New" word of "god" and "translations," but men saying their morals are superior is exactly what it is.
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But what is stopping someone else from coming by and saying their commandments are better?
The same thing that's stopping them now.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 10:37 pm to Revelator
We would all do well to derive our morality from the Bible. One of my favorites is the story of Lot, a very noble and righteous (the only one in Sodom) man according to scripture. When the two angels visited Lot to tell him to leave the city, he proceeded to offer up his two married daughters (he lied and said they were virgins) to an angry mob who wanted to rape the angels. After God killed the whole town including his sons in law, he also killed Lot’s wife for “looking back” at Sodom. Then Lot subsequently got drunk and impregnated his own two daughters.
I actually do agree that decline in religion is bad. Luckily for us most religions today ignore all the “bad” stuff in their books as if it doesn’t exist. Many people are too stupid and ignorant to function outside of religion. It may be a crutch, but it is beneficial for western society. It’d be nice if the poor and stupid were god fearing churchgoers who believed in “family values” that I can tell you.
There’s definitely a correlation between decline of religion, and murder/abortion, grooming, blue haired tranny nonsense, and totalitarian Marxism.
I actually do agree that decline in religion is bad. Luckily for us most religions today ignore all the “bad” stuff in their books as if it doesn’t exist. Many people are too stupid and ignorant to function outside of religion. It may be a crutch, but it is beneficial for western society. It’d be nice if the poor and stupid were god fearing churchgoers who believed in “family values” that I can tell you.
There’s definitely a correlation between decline of religion, and murder/abortion, grooming, blue haired tranny nonsense, and totalitarian Marxism.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:05 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:05 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:You are someone who doesn't have eyes to see and ears to hear, and I pray that God gives you a heart of flesh rather than your heart of stone.
We would all do well to derive our morality from the Bible. One of my favorites is the story of Lot, a very noble and righteous (the only one in Sodom) man according to scripture. When the two angels visited Lot to tell him to leave the city, he proceeded to offer up his two married daughters (he lied and said they were virgins) to an angry mob who wanted to rape the angels. After God killed the whole town including his sons in law, he also killed Lot’s wife for “looking back” at Sodom. Then Lot subsequently got drunk and impregnated his own two daughters.
Not everything stated in the Bible is meant to be a positive thing to emulate. Lot was a sinner like everyone else in the Bible, except for Jesus. Abraham lied. David committed adultery and murder. So on and so forth. The morality of the Bible is that which reflects God's character, and lying, incest, and murder are not in God's character.
We would all do well to be conformed to the image of Christ, who is the image of perfect morality.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:11 am to Revelator
How in the world could this be downvoted? There is no moral center outside of God. Atheists like to pretend their morality magically comes from nowhere, but there simply is no where morality could come from without a basis for objective moral truth. Hence postmodernist “men can be women” bullshite, and everyone having their “own” truth. That’s no way to run a society.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 1:57 am to AcadieAnne
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Atheists like to pretend their morality magically comes from nowhere
No, they don't. They just don't pretend it comes from religion.
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objective moral truth
This doesn't exist.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 5:40 am to Squirrelmeister
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Many people are too stupid and ignorant to function outside of religion. It may be a crutch, but it is beneficial for western society.
This take always fascinates me. In the same thread you'll have multiple people claiming:
- religion is just a bunch of morality created by men
- I don't need religion to have morality because I've created my own
People apparently don't think very deeply about these issues.
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