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re: "The Coronavirus Pandemic Will Forever Alter the World Order" Henry Kissinger, WSJ

Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:01 pm to
Posted by beachdude
FL
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:01 pm to
You know damn good and well that Henry Kissinger did not “write” that at his advanced age. He discussed it with some of his internationalist consultant/underlings, came to an amorphous conclusion, and let them fill in the historical rhetoric. If it weren’t for him and his trying to drive a wedge between the USSR and Communist China, we might not be having this discussion.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:04 pm to
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He's smart enough to know what's really at danger in all of this. Hence his desire to "safeguard the principles of the liberal world order".

The "liberal world order" brought us decimation of American families through outsourcing, uncontrolled immigration that drives wages down for the middle class and poor, the rise of a geopolitical threat in China, endless war in foreign countries and the monstrous blob of a federal government in DC.




Right. What he fails to mention is what it takes to maintain this God forsaken "world order".

The U.S. has paid TRILLIONS to maintain this shite for 50+ years, while the rest of the world was free to roam.

Meanwhile, Europe in their peace has turned themselves into a fat socialist state deep in debt.


I'm trying to figure out which country is actually grateful for what the US has done for the world economy.
This post was edited on 4/3/20 at 8:05 pm
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
45986 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:05 pm to
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Say what you want about Kissinger---nobody understands world affairs better.


Yeah he’s a real American patriot.....one of the true believers in the NWO/Globalist agenda.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:10 pm to
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is a walled city 


fortress America


that's what I want
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:10 pm to
Gosh. It seems like yesterday when Kiss was opening up world relations with China to get the whole party started. Respect only for the eloquent way in which he convinced Americans to buy in to globalization. Wolf in sheep’s clothing.
Posted by Redleg Guy
Member since Nov 2012
2536 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:17 pm to
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U.S. prosperity does not depend on this.

I disagree. Look at the US companies on the Fortune 500. They absolutely depends on globalism.

Amazon as a company is more powerful than some states (and Nations)
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:20 pm to
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I disagree. Look at the US companies on the Fortune 500. They absolutely depends on globalism.



False. They could easily restructure and they will in the near future.


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Amazon as a company is more powerful than some states (and Nations)



And literally all of their sales occur where?
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:22 pm to
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You really are paid by the CCP aren’t you?


Explain that.

It is simple logic that 1.5 billion people in a capitalistic economy as they have moved toward would surpass the economy of a nation with 350 million people.

Do you disagree?

Is it in our best interest to jeopardize the advances in standard of living that trade brings simply to have a more command economy as most here want and the failed democrat Pete Navarro advocates?
Posted by Porky
Member since Aug 2008
19102 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:24 pm to
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Well I am waiting. What is globalism?

In the political context, it's an ideology followed by the world's political elite in their quest for attaining total power, control, and financial hegemony over all nations.
This post was edited on 4/5/20 at 7:28 am
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:24 pm to
God you love that yellow man root.
Posted by MDB
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:24 pm to
Kissinger was/is probably one of the smartest men of our generation in the field of politics.
Posted by Friscodog
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2009
4458 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:26 pm to
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The pandemic has prompted an anachronism, a revival of the walled city in an age when prosperity depends on global trade and movement of people.




So are you a globalist such as Kissenger, Soros, Obama, Merkel?
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:26 pm to
Tell me more about how you see the US was harmed by trade?

Just because we have more service jobs than before and less manufacturing jobs means NOTHING. (we classify computer programming as service jobs BTW).

In December we had the highest number of people EVER working in the USA at the highest wages EVER. Are you against that??

Posted by GeauxtigersMs36
The coast
Member since Jan 2018
7706 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:28 pm to
Didn’t read.. still shocked he’s still alive!
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:31 pm to
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Tell me more about how you see the US was harmed by trade?




Because we barely get any economic benefit from the world system. 98% of consumption for US companies occurs IN THE US.

And we've been paying the bill on military protections on every trade route on the face of the earth for the last 20 years and a large chunk of earth since ww2 ended.

It makes no sense for the US to pay for and supply military protections to regions where we have no economic interest or countries that like the US.

Not to mention how weve handed a significant number of our technologies over to foreign adversaries.

You really have no knowledge of geopolitics at all. You only see the world in one dimension.

Tell me, why can't you set up your company in another country that allows trade with China un-tariffed?

Are you okay with the Chinese placing tariffs on our goods while we put no tariffs on theirs?
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:32 pm to
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So are you a globalist such as Kissenger
Yes. He is a free trader. He is not a one world government guy like Soros, Obama and Merkel.

He was quite ruthless in looking out for the USA in his role as National Security Advisor and Secretary of State.

from wiki

quote:

US government documents later declassified reveal that nuclear weapons were considered for Operation Duck Hook.[2] An attachment to a memo from US National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger to Nixon asked, "Should we be prepared to use nuclear weapons?" The memo warned that "Since we cannot confidently predict the exact point at which Hanoi could be likely to respond positively, we must be prepared to play out whatever string necessary." Kissinger's memo also stated that "To achieve its full effect on Hanoi's thinking, the action must be brutal." [emphasis in original]

A few days earlier, a document from two of Kissinger's aides, Roger Morris and Anthony Lake, stated that the President must be prepared "to decide beforehand, the fateful question of how far we will go. He cannot, for example, confront the issue of using tactical nuclear weapons in the midst of the exercise. He must be prepared to play out whatever string necessary in this case." The identical wording in the Kissinger memo makes clear Kissinger was referring to the nuclear question when he called for playing out "whatever string necessary."
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32541 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:33 pm to
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Say what you want about Kissinger

How about: he’s a war criminal
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:40 pm to
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Because we barely get any economic benefit from the world system. 98% of consumption for US companies occurs IN THE US.


Fact or your opinion? NTL how would we produce more to replace imports if 98% of our resources are already devoted to the US market?

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And we've been paying the bill on military protections on every trade route on the face of the earth for the last 20 years and a large chunk of earth since ww2 ended.


And what does that have to do with anything? We can quit this tomorrow--and I wholeheartedly want to see us reduce our military obligations in a huge way. If we are the customers don't you think the buyers will find a way to get the product to us and protect the passage??

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You really have no knowledge of geopolitics at all






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Tell me, why can't you set up your company in another country that allows trade with China un-tariffed
because of US regulations---some of the same ones that force me to buy inputs in China. Only about 30% of our finished product is imported but my own business has nothing to do with how I think on this except that it has given me certain experiences in dealing with other countries. Have you ever dealt with any purchasing for a company you own??? or have simply concentrated on building your vast experience in geopolitics??

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Are you okay with the Chinese placing tariffs on our goods while we put no tariffs on theirs?


Where is the logic that we should punish Americans with tariffs simply because another country punishes their citizens with tariffs???
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:42 pm to
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Say what you want about Kissinger

How about: he’s a war criminal


You would have a stronger case with that argument than an argument that Kissinger is a big one world government guy.
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:47 pm to
I hope that no one is inferring that China is the means to successful trade in Asia. I, do one, have maintained an isolationist stance with regard to China for several reasons including but not limited to human rights violations. There are far more opportunities available without having to deal with the Chinese.
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