- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: The Caricature of the "Left"
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:3/4 of these things are every President.
i mean they aren't 100% the same, but in terms of policy..they are closer than most contemporaries existing today
Trump and Clinton had similar stances on illegal immigration
Trump is actually more progressive on gay rights
Both are fans of using military interventions in sectarian conflicts
both ramped up the WOD
0
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
And your problem is that you think just bc government can't solve all our problems (which i agree with) that means it can't solve any of them either
government can solve problems, but the question is does that solution create more problems that were unintended?
when government is the only party who can legally kill you for disagreement, it can create some scary scenarios (unlike private solutions that can't reach this level)
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
i'm fine with common sense reform of entitlement to curb abuse and promote sustainability
quote:
i'm all for some deregulation as well (1 in 2 out has been proven to work well in other countries)
Big issue. A lot of states spend more money complying with regulation than they receive in actual benefits. It has become a charade.
quote:
but slash and burn the safety net programs because frick poor people and lets eliminate entire federal agencies is where you lose me.
After years of calling for change, this seems to be the only option for some. Washington (both sides) has proven time and again they have no intention of reversing the spending.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:23 pm to Centinel
quote:
I said you were an extremist? Funny, I didn't see that anywhere in my post.
i'm not really talking to you specifically but responding to the narrative on this board.
Yesterday I posted in the Evergreen State College thread that the students were a disgrace and the first response was basically to say i was lying and that they knew in reality i supported the students. i've also been accused of supporting antifa. This happens every single day on here.
This post was edited on 5/31/17 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
If that is what you think I was addressing in the OP then you completely misread everything that was said in it. The OP was about Liberals not the Democratic Party. Also it was about how this board considers Liberals to be subhuman because they disagree with them and that they lump the views of certain people on the Left with all Liberals which is not at all the case.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:24 pm to CrazyCow202
quote:
I do not post very often on this board, but I come on here and read it daily. As someone on the "left" I think it is important to come to this board to see what people on the other side of the aisle think and feel about issues. One recurring theme I have seen across this forum is how often the Liberals (Libtards, Progs, Lefties, Commies, etc.) are derided for simply being Liberal and the caricature that has been created. This is not different from the caricature of the right that has been created by some on the Left, that conservatives are all racists, which I know to not be true and is so often complained about on here. I also believe that had a very negative effect on the Dems in the last election. ANTIFA does not stand for even close to the majority of Liberals, and I had never even heard of them until this board began to post about them. And when some idiot Liberal creates a petition to change LSU's name and gets like 100 people to sign it, the majority of Liberals don't agree with that either. I also often see posters saying things along the lines of, "If anyone still doubted that liberalism was a mental disease..." and "The left hasn't lost their heads because they never had them." I often wonder if the people who say these things actually know any Liberals in real life or if they just know what they see on TV and read in this forum. As I said above, I am Liberal leaning on most issues and would probably disagree with the majority of this board , but I do not think that you are a subhuman group of people that are the dumbest people in the world, just because we think differently. I'm sure I'll get skewered for this, but that's alright because its an anonymous message board and everyone really just needs to chill out on both sides.
As a recovering liberal I understand where you're coming from. What we're dealing with now ain't "liberalism ".
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:26 pm to CrazyCow202
People have different interpretations for labels.
Liberal to me means something different than the next guy.
The "left" in aggregate is currently acting ridiculous similarly to the "right" in the early Obama years.
Thanks for the lecture stating the obvious that a collection of individuals will not always have the same opinions or outlooks. Your post is worthless.
Liberal to me means something different than the next guy.
The "left" in aggregate is currently acting ridiculous similarly to the "right" in the early Obama years.
Thanks for the lecture stating the obvious that a collection of individuals will not always have the same opinions or outlooks. Your post is worthless.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:29 pm to CrazyCow202
quote:
" I often wonder if the people who say these things actually know any Liberals in real life or if they just know what they see on TV and read in this forum.
I know lots and lots of liberals. 2 years ago, I believed they were all just misguided, but well-meaning. About 1 year ago, something snapped. Rather than ostracizing the radicals like ANTIFA, they started championing them. Rather than shaking their heads at those seeking to stop opposing views from speaking, they started calling everyone with opposing views racist fascists. Overnight, the wackos went from fringe internet lunatics and trolls on tumblr to being friends I grew up with, people who should know better, that not everyone who disagrees is some evil characature, but suddenly don't anymore.
The left has been characatured by the right because most liberals we know fail to disavow of even withdraw support for the characature, the identify with ANTIFA and BLM now. They full throatedly support "punching nazis" and silencing all dissenting views. These are not fringe concepts anymore, but have become the mainstream.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:30 pm to Centinel
Identity Politics - The Democrats have tried to win elections by carving out identifiable groups of people and catering to their needs. They figure if they can take enough groups like unions, blacks, LBGTs, environmentalists, socialists, students, hispanics, women, etc, and get a large majority of those groups to vote for them, they will form an unbeatable majority.
The problem is that radicals in those groups have gotten out of control with their demands, and they don't want to say, "NO" to them. You don't see Democrat politicians saying "NO" to the radicals in BLM, or the radical LBGT groups. The Democrats have changed their immigration policies because of these groups - Hillary Clinton has given speeches that essentially support Trump's immigration policies in the past.
One of the problems with the Democrats math is that they had a huge conflict between some of their constituent groups in this last election. The blue collar workers see the unfettered border crossings as a threat to their job security and wages. These blue collar, working class, union card carrying, common sense, salt-of-the-earth types that traditionally voted Democrat, went for Trump because of this, and then were relabeled as "Uneducated Whites". The Democrats miscalculated and took a position that we need to find a path to citizenship for 12 million illegals, and the blue collar workers bolted over to Trump.
The problem is that radicals in those groups have gotten out of control with their demands, and they don't want to say, "NO" to them. You don't see Democrat politicians saying "NO" to the radicals in BLM, or the radical LBGT groups. The Democrats have changed their immigration policies because of these groups - Hillary Clinton has given speeches that essentially support Trump's immigration policies in the past.
One of the problems with the Democrats math is that they had a huge conflict between some of their constituent groups in this last election. The blue collar workers see the unfettered border crossings as a threat to their job security and wages. These blue collar, working class, union card carrying, common sense, salt-of-the-earth types that traditionally voted Democrat, went for Trump because of this, and then were relabeled as "Uneducated Whites". The Democrats miscalculated and took a position that we need to find a path to citizenship for 12 million illegals, and the blue collar workers bolted over to Trump.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:33 pm to Centinel
I agree completely. Another problem with the Dem Party is that they are more focused on having the moral high ground than they are on winning an election. Yeah the world would be wonderful if everyone agreed with my views, but they don't and if we (Dems) want to win then we need to realize that.
Case in point being just because some rich white guy says he worked for everything he has and that he doesn't have it easier than blacks, doesn't mean he's racist and hates black people. Regardless of whether you believe his statement is right or wrong.
In politics the point isn't to be right the point is to win.
Case in point being just because some rich white guy says he worked for everything he has and that he doesn't have it easier than blacks, doesn't mean he's racist and hates black people. Regardless of whether you believe his statement is right or wrong.
In politics the point isn't to be right the point is to win.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:35 pm to CrazyCow202
quote:
Also it was about how this board considers Liberals to be subhuman because they disagree with them and that they lump the views of certain people on the Left with all Liberals which is not at all the case.
You just did the same thing. You say "this board" as a collective description and chastise the board but then you say not to lump all liberals collectively in doing so by "this board".
Ironic or hypocritical statement? Your choice.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:36 pm to Jax-Tiger
quote:this was one of the more interesting narratives out of the election. Never were the democratic voters described as uneducated. They were blue collar. Once they drifted off the plantation the media relabeled them as "uneducated whites".
These blue collar, working class, union card carrying, common sense, salt-of-the-earth types that traditionally voted Democrat, went for Trump because of this, and then were relabeled as "Uneducated Whites".
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:39 pm to CrazyCow202
You shouldve apologized on behalf of your fellow liberals if you had wanted to impress me. What for?
Beating up Truno supporters at rallies.
Rioting for 2 weeks after the election.
The anarchy at Cal-Berkeley
Censoring first amendment rights.
Idiots talking about blowing up the White House & holding a severed head look-alike for Trump.
Like I said, you have some nerve lecturing conservatives.
Beating up Truno supporters at rallies.
Rioting for 2 weeks after the election.
The anarchy at Cal-Berkeley
Censoring first amendment rights.
Idiots talking about blowing up the White House & holding a severed head look-alike for Trump.
Like I said, you have some nerve lecturing conservatives.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:40 pm to KCT
quote:I'm sure impressing you was foremost on his mind
You shouldve apologized on behalf of your fellow liberals if you had wanted to impress me.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:41 pm to CrazyCow202
quote:
CrazyCow202
I commend you. That is a well thought-out and drafted OP, regardless of the fact that I don't agree with it. You have worked hard for your Share Blue/Soros paycheck, and on the last day of the month, no less.
Hooray for you. You are getting paid.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:42 pm to kingbob
quote:spoiler alert it was you
About 1 year ago, something snapped.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:43 pm to Iosh
quote:
You shouldve apologized on behalf of your fellow liberals if you had wanted to impress me.
I'm sure impressing you was foremost on his mind
Aw, did I hurt your feelings by outting you as a pro-open borders phony?
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:43 pm to kingbob
This sounds exactly like what happened to a lot of people I know on the right as well....Maybe, just maybe, politics has become so polarized ON BOTH SIDES that the crazies from both sides have come out of the wood works and have now become acceptable to the mainstream wings of their respective parties. To act like this is only a problem on the left is intellectually dishonest.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:44 pm to CrazyCow202
Swell post there. You are right on most points, but as an individual who knew two very close acquaintances that had the mental disease you reference I beg to differ. Don't misunderstand, I am generally not referring to liberals, but leftists.
In my mind, there is a huge difference and always try to differentiate in my comments on this board and in speaking with folks I associate with.
The anti-American, excusers, SJW's, destroy history leftists, as well as their close friends the anarchists are inflicted with a severe mental disorder that cannot be reconciled through conversation. Those I know will not allow a simple sentence spoken to them without a rude interruption, i.e., will not listen, aka, No!
Therefore, I wish them all the worst in their endeavors for their abject failure in attempting to understand opposing views. Their victory comes through "name calling".
Thanks for your efforts though.
In my mind, there is a huge difference and always try to differentiate in my comments on this board and in speaking with folks I associate with.
The anti-American, excusers, SJW's, destroy history leftists, as well as their close friends the anarchists are inflicted with a severe mental disorder that cannot be reconciled through conversation. Those I know will not allow a simple sentence spoken to them without a rude interruption, i.e., will not listen, aka, No!
Therefore, I wish them all the worst in their endeavors for their abject failure in attempting to understand opposing views. Their victory comes through "name calling".
Thanks for your efforts though.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:46 pm to CrazyCow202
Only one side is rioting. Only one side is attacking the other. Only one side is trying to suppress first amendment rights.
Keep your head buried in the sand, though.
Keep your head buried in the sand, though.
Page 6 of 7
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News