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The Biden admin scrubbed all wildfire data prior to 1983.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:04 am
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:04 am
Wildfire season is about to ensue out West. Get ready for the propaganda. All wildfires will be the worst in recorded history...well, because the Biden admin erased history.
LINK
I went to the wayback machine, and yep...the NIFC changed their website so the wayback machine would only pick up NIFC history since Biden took office.
But if you search the old NIFC website name (https://www.nifc.gov/fireInfo/fireInfo_stats_totalFires.html) you can find the scrubbed data. NIFC prior to 2021 on the wayback machine:
LINK
Why would they do this?
The answer is obvious. They want to hide the past and pick a starting point where wildfires were low to show how bad wildfires are getting.
Wildfires were MUCH worse in terms of burn acreage before 1950. Luckily the wayback machine still retains the hidden data:
This is what the Biden amin is hiding:
quote:
Prior to 1983, the federal wildland fire agencies did not track official wildfire data using current reporting processes. As a result, there is no official data prior to 1983 posted on this site.
Source: National Interagency Coordination Center
LINK
I went to the wayback machine, and yep...the NIFC changed their website so the wayback machine would only pick up NIFC history since Biden took office.
But if you search the old NIFC website name (https://www.nifc.gov/fireInfo/fireInfo_stats_totalFires.html) you can find the scrubbed data. NIFC prior to 2021 on the wayback machine:
LINK
Why would they do this?
The answer is obvious. They want to hide the past and pick a starting point where wildfires were low to show how bad wildfires are getting.
Wildfires were MUCH worse in terms of burn acreage before 1950. Luckily the wayback machine still retains the hidden data:
This is what the Biden amin is hiding:
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 9:06 am
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:05 am to GumboPot
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:06 am to GumboPot
Weather reports have also started using much harsher coloring for heat to drive home an alarmist message.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:07 am to GumboPot
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Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:08 am to GumboPot
This is good work and I bookmarked that old site and downloaded a couple of those charts for when some lib claims we have never seen wildfires like now. You know it's coming.
Good job
Good job
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:08 am to GumboPot
Communist doing commie things? Shocking
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:09 am to GumboPot
Never believe anything that any gov't official has to say about any subject.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:18 am to Aubie Spr96
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Never believe anything that any gov't official has to say about any subject.
When the data is presented the data is more than likely mostly correct if they are direct measurements with calibrated instrumentation and most data are acquired that way. However be cautious of "estimated" data. There is a lot of estimated temperature data in the USGS/NOAA database that is derived from weather models instead of direct measurement. Recording data like this is justified for reasons that do not make sense to me.
Anyway, the point I wanted to make is when presented with a chart of ensuing climate catastrophe always ask, "can you show me the data prior to your start date". That almost always changes perspective.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:18 am to GumboPot
The info still exists, its just not on the site. Its not like SS text from Jan 6 which just disappeared from archive.
One reason for all the fires prior to 1950 is the lack of aerial tools to detect and fight fires. The first helicopter wasn't used until 1946. The first plane tanker, 1955. This technology allowed crews to detect and fight wildfires in a way that changed the game. Thus - fires used to spread wider and destroy more acreage.
What is concerning now is that despite the advancements in fire fighting mitigation, including satellite detection, the frequency and damage from wildfires has increased.
One reason for all the fires prior to 1950 is the lack of aerial tools to detect and fight fires. The first helicopter wasn't used until 1946. The first plane tanker, 1955. This technology allowed crews to detect and fight wildfires in a way that changed the game. Thus - fires used to spread wider and destroy more acreage.
What is concerning now is that despite the advancements in fire fighting mitigation, including satellite detection, the frequency and damage from wildfires has increased.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:20 am to WaltWhite504
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One reason for all the fires prior to 1950 is the lack of aerial tools to detect and fight fires. The first helicopter wasn't used until 1946. The first plane tanker, 1955. This technology allowed crews to detect and fight wildfires in a way that changed the game. Thus - fires used to spread wider and destroy more acreage.
So you're saying fossil fuels help fight forest fires.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:21 am to GumboPot
The American Leftist Totalitarian Regime that is currently forming will rely greatly on Gaslighting and Propaganda to maintain its hold on domestic political power. Whatever can't be achieved with Info Ops will be accomplished using good old-fashioned oppression at the hands of Der Staat.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:24 am to GumboPot
I have a buddy that lives in NoCal. He blames the eco terrorist for the size of wildfires. The eco terrorist make it almost impossible for logging on Federal and state owned lands. Well what happens is when there isn't any logging underbrush grows up and creates massive amounts of fuel for the fires. there is also little to no control burring because you can't get a permit because of air quality requirements.
He said it was very rare in the 60's 70's and 80's to have fires that would exceed 10K acres of land.
Florida was very similar in it's approach up until 1998. the largest wildfires in the states history made them rethink how to deal with the problem.
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He said it was very rare in the 60's 70's and 80's to have fires that would exceed 10K acres of land.
Florida was very similar in it's approach up until 1998. the largest wildfires in the states history made them rethink how to deal with the problem.
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Florida is the leader of prescribed fire, or controlled burning, in the United States. Fire bosses like Sam Van Hook burn more land in Florida than in any other state – and until recently more than all of the Western states combine
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“We’re a half century behind,” says Jeb Barzen, a fire ecologist and founder of the Wisconsin Prescribed Fire Council. “Florida is more densely populated than the Midwest, yet they burn more than us. Wisconsin burns 50,000 acres a year. We need to be doing a million acres a year. … Florida is able to do it. There are a lot of lessons that we can adapt to the Midwest.”
LINK
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 9:33 am
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:32 am to lsufan1971
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I have a buddy that lives in NoCal. He blames the eco terrorist for the size of wildfires. The eco terrorist make it almost impossible for logging on Federal and state owned lands. Well what happens is when there isn't any logging underbrush grows up and creates massive amounts of fuel for the fires.
He said it was very rare in the 60's 70's and 80's to have fires that would exceed 10K acres of land.
I believe it. Ironically these eco terrorists are doing the job California Forest Management officials are supposed to be doing. But here is the deal...if forest management would control the underbrush with controlled burns it does not get reported as a wildfire but if the eco terrorist start wildfires it get reported as wildfires. The good news is the more fires they start the less they have to burn. The bad news is, the media will use it as propaganda and some homeowners will suffer losses.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:56 am to GumboPot
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So you're saying fossil fuels help fight forest fires.
Sure - i don't have a political agenda. I'm just pointing out why data prior to 1950 is not comparable to 2022.
My political observation was to say that if you are concerned about cover ups - ask why Secret Service communications on Jan 5 and 6 were all deleted - otherwise you don't really care about "scrubbing data".
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:00 am to WaltWhite504
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My political observation was to say that if you are concerned about cover ups - ask why Secret Service communications on Jan 5 and 6 were all deleted - otherwise you don't really care about "scrubbing data".
I care about coverups. I'm for all the transparency we can get.
But really the point of this thread is to ask for more data (more transparency) when presented with a chart that is supposed to scare us and also a warning to expect many scary wildfire charts in the next two months.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:06 am to WaltWhite504
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I'm just pointing out why data prior to 1950 is not comparable to 2022.
Well it is comparable, when someone with a political agenda is going to want to scream to high heaven that "fires are worse today than they ever have been"...
Picking and choosing your data points is just as dishonest...
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:09 am to GumboPot
Wow. Makes you wonder what other data we need to be recording before it's history gets changed.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 10:10 am
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:14 am to GumboPot
For much of the 20th century we had a zero tolerance for wildfires. It lead to a dangerous buildup of undergrowth, and when fires did break out, they could be catastrophic.
Californias fire problems are natural risk, it’s an area where fires happen, and the worst fire management policies in the country.
Californias fire problems are natural risk, it’s an area where fires happen, and the worst fire management policies in the country.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:34 am to GumboPot
The problem with this conspiracy theory is that if that was really their goal, Wayback machine agrees to takedown requests from the content creator, even tiny joe blow. Seen it multiple times. They even put up a notice when they do it. So they could have easily removed the old data.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 10:34 am
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:40 am to WaltWhite504
quote:Get out of here with your objective, reasonable analysis.
WaltWhite504
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