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re: The bible doesn't forbid homosexuality - the left
Posted on 12/11/22 at 11:32 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 12/11/22 at 11:32 am to AggieHank86
quote:Who defines what is in the best interest of a society, and why is that the standard that should be used? There have been societies that have agreed that sex slavery, chattel slavery, and genocide were all things that were in their own best interest.
By whether it is consistent with and advances the best interests of the society in which it is implemented.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 11:36 am to Flats
quote:who said anything about “objective good?“
What makes that objectively good?
Obviously, the members of any given society would decide what advances the interests of their society.
This post was edited on 12/11/22 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 12/11/22 at 11:37 am to FooManChoo
quote:Absolutely.
There have been societies that have agreed that sex slavery, chattel slavery, and genocide were all things that were in their own best interest.
By our measure, those would be “immoral“ societies. By their own measure, they would not.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 11:41 am to AggieHank86
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By whether it is consistent with and advances the best interests of the society in which it is implemented.
I'll toss this out there as an honest question -
What determines whether morals should benefit a society over the individual? How does this become enforced? If society forces an individual to act against that individual's personal best interests, doesn't that become a case of "might makes right," thus losing any argument from a morally superior vantage?
This post was edited on 12/11/22 at 11:43 am
Posted on 12/11/22 at 11:42 am to Swamp Angel
Under our moral code, yes.
Under their moral code, no.
It’s just one example, look at a Confucian culture. The good of the family overrides the good of the individual, in that culture. They consider that to be perfectly moral. In fact, they consider it to be a virtue.
Under their moral code, no.
It’s just one example, look at a Confucian culture. The good of the family overrides the good of the individual, in that culture. They consider that to be perfectly moral. In fact, they consider it to be a virtue.
This post was edited on 12/11/22 at 11:43 am
Posted on 12/11/22 at 11:45 am to AggieHank86
quote:How do you identify an outstanding moral code that should be used if literally any action can be seen as morally good depending on what a society wants at any given time?
Absolutely.
By our measure, those would be “immoral“ societies. By their own measure, they would not.
This is the fundamental flaw of moral relativism: it removes the possibility of objective moral reasoning and reduces morality to mere preference.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 11:56 am to FooManChoo
quote:You see a bug. I see a feature.
How do you identify an outstanding moral code that should be used if literally any action can be seen as morally good depending on what a society wants at any given time? This is the fundamental flaw of moral relativism: it removes the possibility of objective moral reasoning and reduces morality to mere preference.
This post was edited on 12/11/22 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 12/11/22 at 11:58 am to FooManChoo
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This is the fundamental flaw of moral relativism: it removes the possibility of objective moral reasoning and reduces morality to mere preference.
So should we go back to enslaving people because God said it’s okay?
Posted on 12/11/22 at 12:05 pm to Esquire
quote:In a morally relativistic world, why would that be wrong?
So should we go back to enslaving people because God said it’s okay?
But to answer your question, God tolerated a lot of bad things in patience towards a fallen and sinful people. Slavery is not a positive good, nor is it commanded by God generally, therefore there is no reason to support it for our society and many reasons to reject it.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 12:12 pm to FooManChoo
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But to answer your question, God tolerated a lot of bad things in patience towards a fallen and sinful people. Slavery is not a positive good, nor is it commanded by God generally
Doesn’t sound very objective to me
Posted on 12/11/22 at 12:13 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
the members of any given society would decide what advances the interests of their society.
so Red China abandons long view 1 child policy.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 12:16 pm to Esquire
quote:"Objectively-defined morality," with totally subjective enforcement.
Doesn’t sound very objective to me
vs.
"Relatively-defined morality," with totally objective enforcement.
Does random or consistent enforcement provide the most-predictable and reliable results?
This post was edited on 12/11/22 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 12/11/22 at 12:19 pm to Flats
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quote:In regards to Jesus, it’s an argument from silence. Not true, he addresses it in Matthew 15/Mark 7.
I guess I should clarify. The left attempts to make an argument from silence. I did state that Jesus did speak on human sexuality.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 12:20 pm to AggieHank86
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You see a bug. I see a feature.
Go be gay Hank. Why do you have to convince these backwater rubes that you're always right?
Just go be gay, they don't have to agree with you.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 12:38 pm to Esquire
quote:It’s because you don’t understand biblical and theological principles about God, man, sin, and righteousness.
Doesn’t sound very objective to me
Slavery isn’t inherently evil/immoral depending on what it looks like and what it is used for. For instance, a government imprisoning a law-breaker is a form of just slavery, but the government has vested authority to punish wickedness like that. A private citizen kidnapping for the purpose of chattel slavery is an example of sin that should not be tolerated, and that wasn’t even tolerated in ancient Israel.
God’s character is the basis for objective moral reasoning and ultimately the basis for our human rights as image-bearers of God. God’s character doesn’t change, and therefore the foundations of moral reasoning do not change.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 12:40 pm to FooManChoo
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God’s character doesn’t change, and therefore the foundations of moral reasoning do not change.
Except Old Testament God and New Testament God do not have the same character.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 12:52 pm to Esquire
nm
This post was edited on 12/11/22 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 12/11/22 at 12:54 pm to Esquire
quote:Yes, they do. God is still a God of judgment of sin. That's what Jesus' purpose was: to be sent to die in judgment for the sin of mankind.
Except Old Testament God and New Testament God do not have the same character.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 1:00 pm to AggieHank86
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Obviously, the members of any given society would decide what advances the interests of their society.
You're discussing pragmatism, not morality as understood by most people. Pragmatism can get you to a goal; it does not make a judgement on whether the goal is worthy or not. Poison showers for Jews were pragmatic.
This post was edited on 12/11/22 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 12/11/22 at 1:20 pm to FooManChoo
In the Bible, (heterosexual) sex outside of marriage and adultery are mentioned A LOT more than homosexuality. I heard a gay person say once "unless you were a virgin on your wedding night, you've got no right to judge or condemn me." I keep my mouth shut on the subject.
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