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re: The best argument against a mandatory $20 an hour minimum wage.

Posted on 10/19/26 at 4:35 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/19/26 at 4:35 am to
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I wouldn't have a problem with it being indexed to inflation. If these old fossils get COLA adjustments for not working then why shouldn't we apply the same logic to those working and contributing to social security?
COLA is overdone and counterproductive. However, tying it to wages would create a cause-effect-effect-cause increasingly inflationary environment. Wage alterations chasing high inflationary moments would amplify and prolong their aftermath.
Posted by LEOPOLD2
Member since Aug 2026
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Posted on 10/19/26 at 6:19 am to
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So your argument against a 20 dollar an hour minimum wage is there is an entity that uses it by choice and produces better outcomes than competitors as a result

I don't think you got the point
Posted by LEOPOLD2
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Posted on 10/19/26 at 6:20 am to
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It will be predictable to watch. There is no one more loathed by the masses here than the working poor

I have a serious question for you. Do you think one reason why this company is so successful is that because of its wages it's able to attract and keep better quality people? Which obviously by definition has an implication for those they are not hiring?
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Posted on 10/19/26 at 6:20 am to
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I don't think you got the point


That guy plays stupid a lot but he manages to be coherent enough to always argue in the same direction while saying he does not.
Posted by LEOPOLD2
Member since Aug 2026
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Posted on 10/19/26 at 6:21 am to
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But it's a double edged sword. If you pay someone 8 dollars an hour you as the employer are setting the expectations low by what you're offering to pay.

This is like me going into a store and buying the cheapest loaf of bread on a shelves and then someone blames me for the quality of that loaf. I knew what I was getting when I bought it. My choice didn't make it bad it was already bad. I just decided that it was all I could afford
Posted by LEOPOLD2
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Posted on 10/19/26 at 6:22 am to
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Businesses that are struggling are usually the cheap bastards that don't want to pay anyone
nonsense
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
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Posted on 10/19/26 at 8:19 am to

At $20/hour, automation looks very reasonable and entry level jobs become very rare.

People would stop complaining about low pay and start complaining about no pay.
Posted by LSUnKaty
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 10/19/26 at 9:53 am to
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I don't support raising the federal minimum wage to 20 an hour because it doesn't make sense in lower cost of living areas.

I wouldn't have a problem with it being indexed to inflation. If these old fossils get COLA adjustments for not working then why shouldn't we apply the same logic to those working and contributing to social security?
Your grasp of basic economics is somewhat wanting.

First, those “old fossils” worked and paid into Social Security in dollars that were more valuable than a dollar today, and their benefits are tied to their earnings history - earnings that reflected the marginal revenue product, and thus the economic value, of their labor at the time. COLA adjustments are simply a way to preserve the current value of those earned benefits.

So, you see, Social Security COLAs and minimum wages accomplish fundamentally different things. A COLA adjusts a government benefit to preserve its purchasing power. A minimum wage legally prohibits employer-employee transactions below a specified price. Indexing one to inflation doesn't establish an economic rationale for indexing the other.

Next, to point out that a federal minimum wage does not make sense across all living situations is to concede an important point: the market value of labor is not the same everywhere. Wages vary with productivity, labor supply and demand, scarcity of particular skills, industry, and local economic conditions. Markets continuously incorporate those differences into wages; a uniform federal price floor does not.

It is therefore still necessary to explain why a mandate imposed from outside the market would do a better job. No desirable social objective by itself establishes that government price-setting is the appropriate way to achieve it. The strongest economic case for a minimum wage must be more than simply that workers deserve more. It must explain why wages emerging from competitive labor supply and demand fail to reflect relevant market conditions and why a government-imposed floor would produce better results than the market process already does.

Price floors and ceilings do not simply repeal the underlying economic conditions.
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