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re: The Atlantic really mad at Twitter. They have no answer for #DiedSuddenly.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:27 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:27 pm to GumboPot
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The paragraph you quoted addressed nothing about the promotion of the video Died Suddenly within Twitter #DiedSuddenly hash tag.
Your comment is a non sequitur. It does not flow from the previous comment.
It clearly stated why you're stupid and you were too stupid to recognize it and still too stupid to recognize it
Life goes on
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:32 pm to Powerman
You just want to name call. That's your thing.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:42 pm to crazy4lsu
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Regardless, if I'm not seeing evidence of that lack of trust at the ground level, and only see it online, what am I to conclude?
That you’re a god, and everybody trusts the medical establishment again. Be sure to tell them to get their monthly boosters.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:43 pm to Penrod
quote:it isn't a vaccine. So there's that
So is the criticism of the vaccine
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:43 pm to crazy4lsu
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Regardless, if I'm not seeing evidence of that lack of trust at the ground level, and only see it online, what am I to conclude?
This is true of my experience as well that the online skepticism is far and away greater than in clinical settings, though the setting is going to make people more reticent. You'll also have a selection effect where skeptics are less likely to seek care, but it seems like a portion of it is that the skepticism is an identity-badge for signaling online in ways people will recognize leftward folks of doing to signal deference to medical authority (it's easier to see outgroups behaviors this way).
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:44 pm to crazy4lsu
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I find it hard to believe given that we are tasked with trying to discharge as many patients as possible in the morning and that we can't for reasons directly related to why they were admitted in the first place. If you are admitted, given the patient census, where there are weeks where there is absolutely no bed availability, it beggars belief that the primary reason they would be admitted is for asymptomatic or mild cases. It flies in the face of what things are like on the ground.
I know nothing about where you practice, but it is 100% accurate - more than half of "Covid hospitalizations" involve patients that are asymptomatic for Covid or suffering mild symptoms.
I'm surprised someone headlong in your industry is unaware of this. Reminds me of my older brother (PhD in medical physics working at a research hospital) was completely unaware (and not believing) of the death certificate matching program.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:47 pm to Flats
Wow muh serious answer! Muh telling it like it is! It couldn’t possibly be that people’s claims of mistrust of the health industry are mostly affectations that don’t reflect on their actual behavior. Of course I’m a god for suggesting that there might be a difference between what people say and how they behave. Real heady stuff there.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:50 pm to TigerDoc
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though the setting is going to make people more reticent.
This.
I had a physical in December, and it went off like they have for forever. Lots of pleasantries and questions and prods and probes. It was like pre-2020. But then my Doc said something about the Kari Lake/governor's race, and it became clear to me the dude was on the Right like me. We ended up bullshitting about politics for about 20 minutes, and when we got into Covid and Covid response, I could have sworn he was David_DJS posting on PT.
Point is if he had been an MD of another political persuasion, he'd have not heard a word from me about the fiasco I believe his profession made of Covid. Not because I'm overly reluctant to discuss that, but he wasn't trying to push the vaxx and there was no purpose in getting into it.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:54 pm to crazy4lsu
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Wow muh serious answer!
You ceased being serious with your previous answer.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:54 pm to David_DJS
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more than half of "Covid hospitalizations" involve patients that are asymptomatic for Covid or suffering mild symptoms.
This really beggars belief, because we aren’t operating in a situation where there are unlimited beds.
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I'm surprised someone headlong in your industry is unaware of this.
Well on floors I’m only concerned with patient care. The big picture sort of questions I don’t have time to be thoughtful about. I can say if they fit my experience or not, but I’m also not pretending that my singular experience is dispositive, just a datapoint among many.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:58 pm to Flats
Nah not really. A difference between what is said in anonymous environments and is done if there is actually an ailment seems like a mundane distinction that fits in broadly with human behavior. I’d argue that you see that distinction play out when people discuss their personal experiences with physicians, as generally they make a caveat for their own experience but still include criticisms of the medical industry broadly.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 4:01 pm to TigerDoc
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You'll also have a selection effect
Ya think?
Posted on 1/25/23 at 4:04 pm to crazy4lsu
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This really beggars belief, because we aren’t operating in a situation where there are unlimited beds.
It can beggar all the belief you want it to, but it's reality and goes to the heart of so much of the Covid debate and newfound skepticism of the medical industry.
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The big picture sort of questions I don’t have time to be thoughtful about. I can say if they fit my experience or not, but I’m also not pretending that my singular experience is dispositive, just a datapoint among many.
I wonder if some you've debated with over the weeks/months have this understanding of the arguments you've made.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 4:07 pm to David_DJS
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newfound skepticism of the medical industry.
That doesn’t exist because his hospital still has patients.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 4:07 pm to proger
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2 respected physicians commentary on #diedsuddenly I thought this was a well put together commentary on this. Dr Mandrola is a well respected cardiac electrophysiologist.
They lost me here bc the people who say “discredited”, “misinformation”, and “debunked” are the people who have lied the past several years.
A discredited anti-vaccine documentary, Died Suddenly, has reportedly been seen by millions. And the night of Hamlin’s collapse, Fox News host Tucker Carlson, referencing a supposed study of sudden deaths among Europeans athletes, made the debunked claim that “Since the vax campaign began, there have been more than 1,500 total cardiac arrests… and two-thirds of those were fatal.”
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 1/25/23 at 4:08 pm to TigerDoc
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You'll also have a selection effect where skeptics are less likely to seek care, but it seems like a portion of it is that the skepticism is an identity-badge for signaling online in ways people will recognize leftward folks of doing to signal deference to medical authority (it's easier to see outgroups behaviors this way).
This is probably true, but what confuses me is that in inpatient environs, you have a wide population sample, all of whom are admitted for serious enough reasons that perhaps they think expressing negative sentiment to the IM team is going to affect the standard of care? What’s odd is that they certainly express to us all the ways they feel their care is deficient, usually quite vocally, but wouldn’t express the broad skepticism to us as well? It would be quite odd that they would be reserved about one thing, and then be so expressive about every other thing we do.
I’m certainly not denying that there is a large degree of overall skepticism, but I’m skeptical to the degree which it will matter in face to face interactions. Or rather, that the philosophy of distrust has a method of actually putting it into practice.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 4:13 pm to Penrod
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The real argument against the vaccine is not that it's deadly, but that it's ineffective, and never should have been mandated.
Keep spreading your lies cuck
Posted on 1/25/23 at 4:13 pm to David_DJS
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it's reality and goes to the heart of so much of the Covid debate and newfound skepticism of the medical industry.
I could possibly believe it under a specific payment structure, but given that our prime goal, according to our CMO, is to get as many patients out as possible, I’d like know what the original context of the claim is, or the timeline of the claim.
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I wonder if some you've debated with over the weeks/months have this understanding of the arguments you've made.
Most of the arguments I’ve made are very elementary arguments about pathology and immunology. About that I’m more authoritative than I am about anecdotes, which I’m reticent to share for the most part.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 4:15 pm to Flats
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That doesn’t exist because his hospital still has patients.
Yes your online experience is dispositive, but my own is nothing but a datapoint.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 4:27 pm to crazy4lsu
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I could possibly believe it under a specific payment structure, but given that our prime goal, according to our CMO, is to get as many patients out as possible, I’d like know what the original context of the claim is, or the timeline of the claim.
If I'm reading your post correctly, the dots you're not connecting go like this -
The Covid hospitalization numbers, just like Covid death numbers, were pumped up (as in falsified) to fuel hysteria and rationalize the lunatic response we saw. Over half of "Covid hospitalizations" were patients being admitted for other things, but had a positive Covid test upon admittance or had a positive test within 10 days of admittance, but were not suffering in any meaningful way from Covid. So they really weren't "Covid hospitalizations" at all, just like a ridiculous percentage of "Covid deaths" were not actual Covid deaths.
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