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The shut down orders
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:28 am
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:28 am
I don’t recall there being this degree of dissent
about stay at home orders or curfews during
hurricanes or other natural and manmade
disasters. Is the problem actually that we can’t easily
observe the effects of the virus as they happen?
I ask because if those measures are justified in one instance, I’m not so sure why they’re not in the other.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:29 am to VOR
I think the frustration most people have is that this is a global shut down as opposed to a regional shut down. If you were a waitress in Wyoming that just lost her job you'd probably be pretty frustrated as well.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:30 am to VOR
Infrastructure problems and issues following a storm are more readily accepted than an invisible virus.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:33 am to Erin Go Bragh
quote:
Infrastructure problems and issues following a storm are more readily accepted than an invisible virus.
Also, shutting down, in this case, actually affects the outcome unlike a natural disaster.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:33 am to VOR
quote:
Is the problem actually that we can’t easily
observe the effects of the virus as they happen?
That is exactly what it is. I can't tell you how many times on here I have heard the phrase "I don't know anyone with COVID."
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:34 am to TiketheMiger
quote:
That is exactly what it is. I can't tell you how many times on here I have heard the phrase "I don't know anyone with COVID."
Almost as silly as "I don't know anyone who is voting for X politician!"
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:35 am to VOR
quote:
don’t recall there being this degree of dissent
about stay at home orders or curfews during
hurricanes
There are no “stay at home orders” during hurricanes and curfews aren’t even enforced. They are also extremely limited in scope, geographic location, and time. Like 24-48 hours limited and they don’t bring the entire country to a screachinf halt, cost trillions of dollars, put people out of business, and arguably risk more lives/have a higher societal cost than what they are supposed to guard against.
Even “mandatory evacuations” during hurricanes basically mean you may not get police/fire/ambulance services if you need it. No one is busting people for throwing a football on the beach, forcing shutdown of businesses that want/need to stay open, etc. even during post-Katrina New Orleans with national guard patrolling streets you didn’t get hassled for going about your business. They were basically there to maintain order. That’s not what this is.
This post was edited on 4/6/20 at 8:43 am
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:35 am to VOR
Most shutdowns last a week, some last two. This has no end date. If the models are correct (they likely aren’t), we aren’t having football or school in the fall to keep crowds away. That would be 5+ months of a shutdown.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:35 am to VOR
quote:Let's test your recollection.
I don’t recall there being this degree of dissent
about stay at home orders or curfews during
hurricanes
Do you recall the entire nation shutting down when New Orleans was impacted by Katrina?
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:39 am to VOR
quote:
don’t recall there being this degree of dissent about stay at home orders or curfews during hurricanes or other natural and manmade disasters. Is the problem actually that we can’t easily observe the effects of the virus as they happen? I ask because if those measures are justified in one instance, I’m not so sure why they’re not in the other.
I see nothing wrong with temporary orders depending on the details. Most of these were never really enforced during hurricanes, not really.
States and local governments can provide orders for health and safety the issue here is the orders really don't make sense, are not uniform, and some are contrary to law.
A case in point, the medical personnel and hospitals would be in strict quarantine... those are the spreaders yet they not only didn't restrict their movement but allowed them go anywhere.
This post was edited on 4/6/20 at 8:41 am
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:40 am to VOR
quote:maybe you have bad memory or selective memory.
don’t recall there being this degree of dissent
about stay at home orders or curfews during
hurricanes or other natural and manmade
disasters.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:41 am to VOR
The two month long hurricane.
We have Anderson Cooper up next on Bourbon Street.
Anderson?
We have Anderson Cooper up next on Bourbon Street.
Anderson?
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:45 am to VOR
quote:You would see this degree of "dissent" if hurricanes were hitting Louisiana and New York and the Federal government issued stay at home orders for the entire country.
I don’t recall there being this degree of dissent
about stay at home orders or curfews during
hurricanes
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:48 am to VOR
quote:
I don’t recall there being this degree of dissent
about stay at home orders or curfews during
hurricanes or other natural and manmade
disasters. Is the problem actually that we can’t easily
observe the effects of the virus as they happen?
Have you ever seen a 3 month long hurricane lockdown?
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:48 am to VOR
quote:
I ask because if those measures are justified in one instance, I’m not so sure why they’re not in the other.
The obvious answer is that one is a very temporary situation, with only short term inconvenience. The other is a long term situation, based on questionable assumptions, that has major life changing results.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:55 am to moneyg
I don't think people understand the extent of the implications
It will take years for the global economy to recover and our lives will be forever changed by this
It will take years for the global economy to recover and our lives will be forever changed by this
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