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The shut down orders

Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:28 am
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63557 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:28 am

I don’t recall there being this degree of dissent
about stay at home orders or curfews during
hurricanes or other natural and manmade
disasters. Is the problem actually that we can’t easily
observe the effects of the virus as they happen?

I ask because if those measures are justified in one instance, I’m not so sure why they’re not in the other.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
99116 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:29 am to
That's not a very good poem.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162231 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:29 am to
I think the frustration most people have is that this is a global shut down as opposed to a regional shut down. If you were a waitress in Wyoming that just lost her job you'd probably be pretty frustrated as well.
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
Beyond the Pale
Member since Dec 2007
14916 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:30 am to
Infrastructure problems and issues following a storm are more readily accepted than an invisible virus.
Posted by LSU2a
SWLA to Dallas
Member since Aug 2012
2849 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:33 am to
quote:

Infrastructure problems and issues following a storm are more readily accepted than an invisible virus.


Also, shutting down, in this case, actually affects the outcome unlike a natural disaster.
Posted by TiketheMiger
Member since Oct 2011
1511 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:33 am to
quote:

Is the problem actually that we can’t easily
observe the effects of the virus as they happen?


That is exactly what it is. I can't tell you how many times on here I have heard the phrase "I don't know anyone with COVID."

Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162231 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:34 am to
quote:



That is exactly what it is. I can't tell you how many times on here I have heard the phrase "I don't know anyone with COVID."

Almost as silly as "I don't know anyone who is voting for X politician!"
Posted by Putty
Member since Oct 2003
25486 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:35 am to
quote:

don’t recall there being this degree of dissent
about stay at home orders or curfews during
hurricanes


There are no “stay at home orders” during hurricanes and curfews aren’t even enforced. They are also extremely limited in scope, geographic location, and time. Like 24-48 hours limited and they don’t bring the entire country to a screachinf halt, cost trillions of dollars, put people out of business, and arguably risk more lives/have a higher societal cost than what they are supposed to guard against.

Even “mandatory evacuations” during hurricanes basically mean you may not get police/fire/ambulance services if you need it. No one is busting people for throwing a football on the beach, forcing shutdown of businesses that want/need to stay open, etc. even during post-Katrina New Orleans with national guard patrolling streets you didn’t get hassled for going about your business. They were basically there to maintain order. That’s not what this is.
This post was edited on 4/6/20 at 8:43 am
Posted by tigerfan0082
Member since Oct 2011
676 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:35 am to
Most shutdowns last a week, some last two. This has no end date. If the models are correct (they likely aren’t), we aren’t having football or school in the fall to keep crowds away. That would be 5+ months of a shutdown.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123945 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:35 am to
quote:

I don’t recall there being this degree of dissent
about stay at home orders or curfews during
hurricanes
Let's test your recollection.
Do you recall the entire nation shutting down when New Orleans was impacted by Katrina?
Posted by GeauxFightingTigers1
Member since Oct 2016
12574 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:39 am to
quote:

don’t recall there being this degree of dissent about stay at home orders or curfews during hurricanes or other natural and manmade disasters. Is the problem actually that we can’t easily observe the effects of the virus as they happen? I ask because if those measures are justified in one instance, I’m not so sure why they’re not in the other.


I see nothing wrong with temporary orders depending on the details. Most of these were never really enforced during hurricanes, not really.

States and local governments can provide orders for health and safety the issue here is the orders really don't make sense, are not uniform, and some are contrary to law.

A case in point, the medical personnel and hospitals would be in strict quarantine... those are the spreaders yet they not only didn't restrict their movement but allowed them go anywhere.
This post was edited on 4/6/20 at 8:41 am
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:40 am to
quote:

don’t recall there being this degree of dissent
about stay at home orders or curfews during
hurricanes or other natural and manmade
disasters.
maybe you have bad memory or selective memory.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38287 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:41 am to
The two month long hurricane.

We have Anderson Cooper up next on Bourbon Street.

Anderson?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:45 am to
quote:

I don’t recall there being this degree of dissent
about stay at home orders or curfews during
hurricanes
You would see this degree of "dissent" if hurricanes were hitting Louisiana and New York and the Federal government issued stay at home orders for the entire country.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134865 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:48 am to
quote:

I don’t recall there being this degree of dissent
about stay at home orders or curfews during
hurricanes or other natural and manmade
disasters. Is the problem actually that we can’t easily
observe the effects of the virus as they happen?

Have you ever seen a 3 month long hurricane lockdown?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56555 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:48 am to
quote:

I ask because if those measures are justified in one instance, I’m not so sure why they’re not in the other.



The obvious answer is that one is a very temporary situation, with only short term inconvenience. The other is a long term situation, based on questionable assumptions, that has major life changing results.

Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162231 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:55 am to
I don't think people understand the extent of the implications

It will take years for the global economy to recover and our lives will be forever changed by this
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